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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Lenny100 Poor choice for Anthony at #31 overall. He was the fourth if not fifth-rated ILB prospect with a nearly universal projection of the bottom half of the second round for this player. Major reach and poor ...

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Old 05-01-2015, 05:53 PM   #1
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Re: Bottom Line: Jimmy Graham for Max Unger & Stephon Anthony!

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Poor choice for Anthony at #31 overall. He was the fourth if not fifth-rated ILB prospect with a nearly universal projection of the bottom half of the second round for this player. Major reach and poor choice (imo).

Eric Kendricks, Denzel Perryman and Paul Dawson all make more sense if ILB was the choice at #31. I don't think it should have been. Both Malcolm Brown of Texas and Eddie Goldman of FSU were on the table and either would have been an exceptional choice in lieu of Anthony.

Broderick Bunkley is below average at best (imo). He's overpaid (another bad Loomis contract) and underperforming. They should trade him for a 5th round or 6th round pick if they can get it. Just dump the contract as the player has little to no value as a starting NT in our system. He doesn't eat space, penetrate the backfield or sack the QB from the middle...at all.

His statistics since joining the Bayou Boyz simply do not lie. He doesn't keep OL off the second level, either. In his 38 games with the Saints, Bunkley has a total of 54 tackles, 2.5 sacks and zero forced fumbles. That's it. Behind him await John Jenkins and Lawrence Virgil. Gawd.

Peat is unnecessary. In Patyon's own words last night, and this is nearly unbelievable to phathom, Sean said, 'Zach Strief's been fantastic for us and his last two years (2013 and 2014) have been his best.' Okay, Zach was given a five-year deal for $20M with a $5.5M signing bonus. He's entering his 10th season and is under contract until 2018. If he's good enough to give a long-term deal to last year, what merits drafting a player like Peat at #13 overall? Did Loomis gave Strief a bad contract (too long and too much money) that's now a liability? It seems Mickey undermines his own choices and contracts as a general manager. Not good.

Where is Peat going to play and when? He won't play guard. That's been made obvious by SP. Strief can't play guard. And there's no reason to move Armstead from OLT where he's improving and playing quite well.

Peat's critics say he's too soft, not competitive enough and is a waist-bender getting beaten to the outside by speed rushers. Major red flags.

The Saints screwed up these assets (picks 13 and 31) because of cronyism (Payton being friends with Todd Peat, Sr. and Stanford coach David Shaw) and unfounded infatuation (too much time on Clemson defensive film reviews). Kendricks and Perryman are better MLB prospects with the latter being a Jonathan Vilma fan and protege' with whom he speaks frequently (in his own words).

The smart moves would have been to trade down with San Diego or San Francisco and take Bud DuPree in the middle of the 1st round and then take Goldman or Malcolm Brown at #31 putting Bunkley on the bench or, hopefully, some other team's roster. Of course, Loomis's 3rd round pick from 2013, John Jenkins, is shaping up to be a bust, too. Hence, adding another DT in round 3 or 4 would be wise.

With the pick acquired from trading down for DuPree in lieu of Peat may have landed La'el Collins in round 3-4 or another OL or DL candidate.

Loomis and Payton draft poorly. They trade up unnecessarily surrendering picks for players they'd get when standing pat (i.e. Cooks and Ingram). Loomis traded the 2011 #56 pick and the 2012 first-rounder to move up a few spots for Ingram. Mark is a good player but not worthy of such compensation to the Patriots to select him. Another example of a reach.

Recently, various NFL scribes and data analysis have shown the Saints to be the poorest drafting team in the NFL over the last decade or so rendering the fewest choices still in the league and/or on the Saints roster. This is a glaring red flag. Loomis and Payton do not MAXIMIZE the draft and the team's ability to identify, evaluate and select talent to play in the NFL. They more often minimize this annual event to the team's detriment.

Trading Jimmy Graham I supported. He's emotionally soft, can be taken out of his game with trash talk, and has had both shoulder and leg injuries. He was expendable (imo). However, again, the Saints did not MAXIMIZE Graham's trade value. They didn't. The got a center and an ILB rookie rated in the bottom half of the second round. If someone would have told you the Saints would trade Jimmy Graham for a good starting center and a linebacker chosen in the bottom half of the second round, would you have thought this was a good trade for the Saints and getting a "haul" for JG?

The Seahawks won this trade because Loomis and Payton are not "good" at drafting the right players for needs and making the most of the annual selection process. They underachieve in this area that is critically essential to on-field success. As a result, Loomis and Payton are left with throwing big money at UFA and eating contracts too often in an effort to make up for poor drafting. Consequently, cap problems and roster turnover result.

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Anthony was third in Mayocks top 5 ILB, and projected to the Packers in the first round. SP said that he is best suited for Mike, but has the versatility to play outside as well. I am guessing his versatility is why he was drafted in front of the players you mentioned. Collingsworth had him as the best ILB.

Getting good players is what the draft is about, not drafting for "need". Very few players come in first year and make the difference drafting for "need" requires.

Lastly, none of these players have played a single down in the NFL and the season has not even started, yet, according to you Seattle has already got the better of the trade. I am in the camp that says the jury is still out on that and i'd like 2-3 years of data to be presented first.

Making trades requires the other team, you can't just make them because you feel like it. So although moving back and drafting Dupree is what you felt best to do, what if there was no offer or the compensation not what we felt it should be? I love how you determine the best course of action was something we have 0 idea was even available for our staff to do....
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Re: Bottom Line: Jimmy Graham for Max Unger & Stephon Anthony!

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Anthony was third in Mayocks top 5 ILB, and projected to the Packers in the first round. SP said that he is best suited for Mike, but has the versatility to play outside as well. I am guessing his versatility is why he was drafted in front of the players you mentioned. Collingsworth had him as the best ILB.

Getting good players is what the draft is about, not drafting for "need". Very few players come in first year and make the difference drafting for "need" requires.

Lastly, none of these players have played a single down in the NFL and the season has not even started, yet, according to you Seattle has already got the better of the trade. I am in the camp that says the jury is still out on that and i'd like 2-3 years of data to be presented first.

Making trades requires the other team, you can't just make them because you feel like it. So although moving back and drafting Dupree is what you felt best to do, what if there was no offer or the compensation not what we felt it should be? I love how you determine the best course of action was something we have 0 idea was even available for our staff to do....
Well said. It seems like common sense,right?
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People who think Stephon Anthony is a poor choice need to sign a list and post it on here so i can laugh at them at the end of the season
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Re: Bottom Line: Jimmy Graham for Max Unger & Stephon Anthony!

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People who think Stephon Anthony is a poor choice need to sign a list and post it on here so i can laugh at them at the end of the season
On my old computer I had a list of bookmarks to threads just for rubbing people's faces in the crap they spewed out. It was marvelous.

Though, that makes me think... Canton Legend must be so happy that we finally got rid of Pierre Thomas, who was a horrible RB because he wasn't drafted. *snicker*
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On my old computer I had a list of bookmarks to threads just for rubbing people's faces in the crap they spewed out. It was marvelous.

Though, that makes me think... Canton Legend must be so happy that we finally got rid of Pierre Thomas, who was a horrible RB because he wasn't drafted. *snicker*
Wow, that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. Wonder what ever happened to that guy...
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Wow, that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. Wonder what ever happened to that guy...
He spontaneously combusted. Talk about a hot head...
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Re: Bottom Line: Jimmy Graham for Max Unger & Stephon Anthony!

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Wow, that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. Wonder what ever happened to that guy...
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He spontaneously combusted. Talk about a hot head...
Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP View Post
On my old computer I had a list of bookmarks to threads just for rubbing people's faces in the crap they spewed out. It was marvelous.

Though, that makes me think... Canton Legend must be so happy that we finally got rid of Pierre Thomas, who was a horrible RB because he wasn't drafted. *snicker*
Canton was just passionate about his Love for the Saints who forgot to maintain his civility because he was baited...

He's a good guy...

and EVERYONE on this board has been dead wrong about something...
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Canton was just passionate about his Love for the Saints who forgot to maintain his civility because he was baited...

He's a good guy...

and EVERYONE on this board has been dead wrong about something...
Whatever happened to Strato and TheOak whilst we are on the subject?
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