Deuce is lazy?

Saintuary · 02-01-2005, 10:21 AM

Duece sucked, Oline sucked and We suck. If not Duece its AB, not AB its Haz, not Haz its Benson not Benson it\'s the fans. The truth of the matter is we the Saints Nation ain\'t ready, not yet. But I will tell you this, When it happens, it will be FSWEET. We will prolly change and show the world how to celebrate.

By-the-way, Barry Sanders was Chazizzled.

WD52 · 02-01-2005, 10:29 AM

I am with you Black and Blue, as I stated in my first post in the thread, But I do think Deuce needs to drop a few pounds to take the stress off of his ankle, and gain that step back, Deuce is a Monster...... Please Haz, get us the Oline help!!!!!!!

they need it!!!!!!!

[Edited on 1/2/2005 by WD52]

ScottyRo · 02-01-2005, 11:49 AM

Deuce may not have been in the best shape of his career (though i\'m gonna need to see some links where he was clocked at 4.8 ).

Aren\'t the \"Deuce Bashers\"

forgetting that the o-line sucked? It started in preseason and continued through most of the year. I guess that shouldn\'t have hurt his production.

Aren\'t you forgetting the 2 TE base offense change? I guess that shouldn\'t have hurt his production.

Aren\'t you forgetting that he had an injury that kept him out of three games? Wasn\'t it a high ankle sprain which is notorious for being hard to overcome? I guess that shouldn\'t have hurt his production.

3 valid and important reasons why Deuce\'s production should have diminished and he still got over 1000 yards in 13 games with a 4.0 yard average!

Many people are speculating that the former RB coach was replaced because of conditioning, but might it have been that he and McCarthy came up with the 2 TE scheme together and insisted it would work? We don\'t know what really went on so I have to speculate too. Haslet cited production.

3 consecutive years of over 1000 yards. THAT isn\'t giving him credit for the past. THAT is a current achievement never before matched by a Saint (to my knowledge).

GumboBC · 02-01-2005, 11:57 AM

This is really funny.

First -- The offensive line killed Deuce this year.

Second -- The ankle sprain killed him too...

But it sure is funny that that the Brooks\' bashers are the first one to point out the terrible offensive line when it comes to Deuce.

I wonder who the offensive line affected more. Deuce of Brooks?

Hmmmmmmmmm....

Deuce: All he has to do is run the ball.

Brooks: He touches the ball every play. He is always in known passing downs because we ranked 26th in rushing.

It\'s too funny. Brooks should have overcome the offensive line.

Deuce, it\'s the offensive lines fault.

I\'m not talking to everyone. You know who you are...

BlackandBlue · 02-01-2005, 12:03 PM

Can someone explain to me what it is exactly that Deuce has done wrong, besides the blocking? I\'m really trying to figure this one out.

ScottyRo · 02-01-2005, 12:10 PM

Deuce: All he has to do is run the ball.

Brooks: He touches the ball every play. He is always in known passing downs because we ranked 26th in rushing.

You may not be talking to me Gumbo, but I\'d like to respond as I have a different opinion.

Deuce has to run through that line and get past that line in order to be effective. Only if he can escape to the outside is he safe from the ineffectiveness of theo-line.

Brooks too is affected, but not as seriously - just more often because we pass more. Even though the line did not give him adequate time to throw, imo, he did get some time (on occasion no time).

It just seems like even with \"good\" o-lines our past couple of RBs have been hit behind the LOS more often than they should.

saintfan · 02-01-2005, 12:13 PM

Well his blocking is pretty bad in spite of some opinions.

His pass catching ability is better, but still not very good.

He\'s gained weight and is slower than he used to be.

There is speculation that he doesn\'t work hard.

He fumbles more and more.

He pouts on the sidelines after making a mistake.

He\'s about to want too much money.

Our formations are limited because, unlike a \"real\" top 5 back, he can\'t perform without a fullback.

He dances in the backfield when he should just hit the stupid hole (when there is one).

LOL...now, of course I\'m being a bit unfair since there are clearly solid reasons for a lot of Deuce\'s woes -- specifically our o-line -- yet some give props to the o-line for one game (the dallas game) or just in general when I think most of us would agree it generally sucked. I can even remember 08 blaming Brooks for Deuce\'s problems, which is to be expected.

ScottyRo · 02-01-2005, 12:23 PM

He\'s gained weight and is slower than he used to be.

He probably gained some weight, but the reduction in speed is not as great as some would like to say it is. He was never super fast anyway.

He fumbles more and more.

more and more than who?

He pouts on the sidelines after making a mistake.

What\'s wrong with being upset about something as long as it doesn\'t affect you on the field. I\'d imagine most people here would rather see him pout after a mistake than smile.

He\'s about to want too much money.

We don\'t know what he\'s seeking, but I think we can agree that he is worth more than he is being paid currently.

saintfan · 02-01-2005, 12:32 PM

Scotty, I\'m hoping you recognize my post as necessarily sarcastic...in general, but in all honesty his fumbles are increasing and I don\'t think he should take himself out of the game because he made a mistake.

The general idea here is that we could pick him apart too, and we might even make some sense doing it, but I think we need to recognize how the rest of the team effects his performance, and I\'m sure you\'d agree.

BlackandBlue · 02-01-2005, 12:37 PM

He was never super fast, but he is fast for his size. Remember, this guy has the vision to find the hole, and when he hits it, he usually carries it and anyone around him a few yards. Who was the Falcon defender that was completely run over 2 years ago, even after he had squared up on Deuce? I\'d imagine he still has the cleat marks on his chest.
His blocking is not all that great, I\'ll give yah that- it\'s the one thing that really irks me about Deuce. But that\'s the only thing I can fault him for. Not sure why this is even a discussion.

02-01-2005, 10:21 AM	#31
Saintuary 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Palm Bay, FL Posts: 198	Deuce is lazy? Duece sucked, Oline sucked and We suck. If not Duece its AB, not AB its Haz, not Haz its Benson not Benson it\'s the fans. The truth of the matter is we the Saints Nation ain\'t ready, not yet. But I will tell you this, When it happens, it will be FSWEET. We will prolly change and show the world how to celebrate. By-the-way, Barry Sanders was Chazizzled.

02-01-2005, 10:29 AM	#32
WD52 Registered Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 80	Deuce is lazy? I am with you Black and Blue, as I stated in my first post in the thread, But I do think Deuce needs to drop a few pounds to take the stress off of his ankle, and gain that step back, Deuce is a Monster...... Please Haz, get us the Oline help!!!!!!! they need it!!!!!!! [Edited on 1/2/2005 by WD52]
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02-01-2005, 11:49 AM	#33
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Deuce is lazy? Deuce may not have been in the best shape of his career (though i\'m gonna need to see some links where he was clocked at 4.8 ). Aren\'t the \"Deuce Bashers\" forgetting that the o-line sucked? It started in preseason and continued through most of the year. I guess that shouldn\'t have hurt his production. Aren\'t you forgetting the 2 TE base offense change? I guess that shouldn\'t have hurt his production. Aren\'t you forgetting that he had an injury that kept him out of three games? Wasn\'t it a high ankle sprain which is notorious for being hard to overcome? I guess that shouldn\'t have hurt his production. 3 valid and important reasons why Deuce\'s production should have diminished and he still got over 1000 yards in 13 games with a 4.0 yard average! Many people are speculating that the former RB coach was replaced because of conditioning, but might it have been that he and McCarthy came up with the 2 TE scheme together and insisted it would work? We don\'t know what really went on so I have to speculate too. Haslet cited production. 3 consecutive years of over 1000 yards. THAT isn\'t giving him credit for the past. THAT is a current achievement never before matched by a Saint (to my knowledge).

02-01-2005, 11:57 AM	#34
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Deuce is lazy? This is really funny. First -- The offensive line killed Deuce this year. Second -- The ankle sprain killed him too... But it sure is funny that that the Brooks\' bashers are the first one to point out the terrible offensive line when it comes to Deuce. I wonder who the offensive line affected more. Deuce of Brooks? Hmmmmmmmmm.... Deuce: All he has to do is run the ball. Brooks: He touches the ball every play. He is always in known passing downs because we ranked 26th in rushing. It\'s too funny. Brooks should have overcome the offensive line. Deuce, it\'s the offensive lines fault. I\'m not talking to everyone. You know who you are...
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02-01-2005, 12:03 PM	#35
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Deuce is lazy? Can someone explain to me what it is exactly that Deuce has done wrong, besides the blocking? I\'m really trying to figure this one out.

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02-01-2005, 12:10 PM	#36
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Deuce is lazy? Deuce: All he has to do is run the ball. Brooks: He touches the ball every play. He is always in known passing downs because we ranked 26th in rushing. You may not be talking to me Gumbo, but I\'d like to respond as I have a different opinion. Deuce has to run through that line and get past that line in order to be effective. Only if he can escape to the outside is he safe from the ineffectiveness of theo-line. Brooks too is affected, but not as seriously - just more often because we pass more. Even though the line did not give him adequate time to throw, imo, he did get some time (on occasion no time). It just seems like even with \"good\" o-lines our past couple of RBs have been hit behind the LOS more often than they should.

02-01-2005, 12:13 PM	#37
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Deuce is lazy? Well his blocking is pretty bad in spite of some opinions. His pass catching ability is better, but still not very good. He\'s gained weight and is slower than he used to be. There is speculation that he doesn\'t work hard. He fumbles more and more. He pouts on the sidelines after making a mistake. He\'s about to want too much money. Our formations are limited because, unlike a \"real\" top 5 back, he can\'t perform without a fullback. He dances in the backfield when he should just hit the stupid hole (when there is one). LOL...now, of course I\'m being a bit unfair since there are clearly solid reasons for a lot of Deuce\'s woes -- specifically our o-line -- yet some give props to the o-line for one game (the dallas game) or just in general when I think most of us would agree it generally sucked. I can even remember 08 blaming Brooks for Deuce\'s problems, which is to be expected.
	C'mon Man...

02-01-2005, 12:23 PM	#38
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Deuce is lazy? He\'s gained weight and is slower than he used to be. He probably gained some weight, but the reduction in speed is not as great as some would like to say it is. He was never super fast anyway. He fumbles more and more. more and more than who? He pouts on the sidelines after making a mistake. What\'s wrong with being upset about something as long as it doesn\'t affect you on the field. I\'d imagine most people here would rather see him pout after a mistake than smile. He\'s about to want too much money. We don\'t know what he\'s seeking, but I think we can agree that he is worth more than he is being paid currently.

02-01-2005, 12:32 PM	#39
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Deuce is lazy? Scotty, I\'m hoping you recognize my post as necessarily sarcastic...in general, but in all honesty his fumbles are increasing and I don\'t think he should take himself out of the game because he made a mistake. The general idea here is that we could pick him apart too, and we might even make some sense doing it, but I think we need to recognize how the rest of the team effects his performance, and I\'m sure you\'d agree.

02-01-2005, 12:37 PM	#40
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Deuce is lazy? He was never super fast, but he is fast for his size. Remember, this guy has the vision to find the hole, and when he hits it, he usually carries it and anyone around him a few yards. Who was the Falcon defender that was completely run over 2 years ago, even after he had squared up on Deuce? I\'d imagine he still has the cleat marks on his chest. His blocking is not all that great, I\'ll give yah that- it\'s the one thing that really irks me about Deuce. But that\'s the only thing I can fault him for. Not sure why this is even a discussion.
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