Deuce is lazy?

ScottyRo · 02-01-2005, 12:44 PM

Scotty, I\'m hoping you recognize my post as necessarily sarcastic

Whew. I thought for a minute you had slipped over to the dark side. I recognize his faults. It\'s just that to me they are insignificant compared to other players/positions on the team.

As far as speed is concerned, you\'re right B&B. I guess I was really talking about top-speed. He has great deceptive speed, which has not been seen much because he can\'t get as many breakaways as in the past.

Danno · 02-01-2005, 12:54 PM

Not sure why this is even a discussion.

Because we have a 2000 yard RB who has
1. gained 1000 yards (big fricking whoop!)
2. gained a lot of weight (look at his 2001 pics vesus 2004)
3. now appears injury prone (anybody think weight and conditioning may effect that?)
4. fumbles more than he ever used to
5. has always had questionable conditioning habits.
6. gotten a free pass for a year and a half because he\'s \"better than average\"
7. mopes on the sidelines
8. openly questions coaches and schemes
9. admitted to quitting
I\'m shocked that you can\'t even see why this is a discussion.
Its amazing. Now I see how frustrating it is to deal with a 100% pure Brooks apologist.

GumboBC · 02-01-2005, 12:57 PM

9. admitted to quitting

I was gone for a while this year. I didn\'t hear about this.

What happened? Someone tell me the story...?

Danno · 02-01-2005, 01:11 PM

9. admitted to quitting

I was gone for a while this year. I didn\'t hear about this.

What happened? Someone tell me the story...?

Its useless Billy. No matter what you point out there will be a ton of EXCUSES thrown in your face. EXCUSES, the names change but the excuses persist. I give up. And I\'m gonna get fatter and lazier. Nothing rallies the troop like excusing your team leader from underachieving.
\"A Commitment to Excellence\" , err, I mean \"A Commitment to Mediocrity\"

ExCuse McAllister

ScottyRo · 02-01-2005, 01:13 PM

Because we have a 2000 yard RB who has

Nobody has a 2000 yard back. A guy might get lucky and go over 2000 once, but that\'s it. Aren\'t there like ONLY 4 2000 yard seasons or something? I don\'t know if 4 is right but it\'s close.

gained 1000 yards (big fricking whoop!)

And this is your problem. Expectations. Your expecting something unattainable by any RB (2000 yards guaranteed) while forgetting how nice it is to have a 1000 yard RB.

Again, he missed 3 games. If he just averaged 50 yards in each of those, he\'d have been much closer to 1200 yards on the season. I don\'t think that is overinflating what could have happened. What\'s wrong with 1000 yards or 1200 yards except your expectations were too high?

it\'s not like I\'m saying he\'s the best in the NFl. Certainly there are things he needs to work on. It just seems like he\'s being unfairly and overly criticized. Almost as if you\'re trying to show everyone how unfair it is to single out one player without recognizing the influences that might have kept him from achieving good production. But, that can\'t be it cuz that\'d be an agenda.

Danno · 02-01-2005, 01:19 PM

Because we have a 2000 yard RB who has

Nobody has a 2000 yard back. A guy might get lucky and go over 2000 once, but that\'s it. Aren\'t there like ONLY 4 2000 yard seasons or something? I don\'t know if 4 is right but it\'s close.

gained 1000 yards (big fricking whoop!)

And this is your problem. Expectations. Your expecting something unattainable by any RB (2000 yards guaranteed) while forgetting how nice it is to have a 1000 yard RB.

Again, he missed 3 games. If he just averaged 50 yards in each of those, he\'d have been much closer to 1200 yards on the season. I don\'t think that is overinflating what could have happened. What\'s wrong with 1000 yards or 1200 yards except your expectations were too high?

it\'s not like I\'m saying he\'s the best in the NFl. Certainly there are things he needs to work on. It just seems like he\'s being unfairly and overly criticized. Almost as if you\'re trying to show everyone how unfair it is to single out one player without recognizing the influences that might have kept him from achieving good production. But, that can\'t be it cuz that\'d be an agenda.

He has the talent and ability to be a 2000 yard back.

I\'m an equal opportunity caller-outer.
When I see a player NOT being called out while other players are, I call BS on that. It has nothing to do with an agenda. It has everything to do with calling like it is.

GumboBC · 02-01-2005, 01:41 PM

I\'m an equal opportunity caller-outer.

Me too!!!!!!!

But I\'m also an equal opportunity defender.

There ain\'t many players I would trade Deuce for. I like him a lot......

I\'d trade Brooks before I would Deuce. Although, 1000 yard runningbacks are MUCH easier to find than a good starting QB. But, that\'s another discussion.

No player, or coach, is without some blame. Deuce included. But, to be honest, I\'m really not that worried about Deuce...

I do agree with a lot of what Danno is saying. All stats aside. Deuce needs to be more of a leader, work harder, stay in better shape.

I never hear of Deuce making any speeches to the team. Hey, at least Brooks\' tries.

I stick up for Brooks a lot because I think he gets unfairly critcized. But Brooks is not without fault either. He needs to close his trap and just play football. He needs to take on a bigger leadership role. Brooks needs to throw better passes and stop trying to make a play when nothing is there.

ScottyRo · 02-01-2005, 01:59 PM

Ok, so you\'re calling out a player who did not rush for 2000 yards. Get your voicebox warmed up because you\'ve got 31 other RB starters throughout the league to call out too. Nobody rushed for more than 1700 yards this season. EXPECTATIONS.

I\'d feel better about it if you\'d say you\'re upset that he didn\'t make 1500 yards. That\'d at least be a more reasonable figure. Although I\'ll point out that only 5 Rbs in the NFL even eclipsed that figure. In my estimation Deuce didn\'t have a top 10 year and that\'s a shame, but not reason to jump on him like this.

I\'ll go ahead and dispell this \"fumbles\" myth too while I\'m at it.

Chris Brown, Ahman Green, and Edgerrin James all had 6 fumbles.

Reuben Droughns, McAllister, Portis, M. Pittman and Tomlinson all had 5.

Alexander, Dillon, Holmes, Johnson, And Emmitt Smith all had 4.

That\'s not too bad of company to be in. If your main argument is just that he has increased his fumbling then, again, your expectations might be too high since all these other top RBs performed similarly.

saintswhodi · 02-01-2005, 02:56 PM

Nice work Scotty. I am with BNB, I really don\'t see why we are discussing Deuce. Could he stand a better conditioning program in the offseason? Hell yeah. I hope the new RB coach will help with that. But I don\'t think he is so far off the wagon as to not be able to get back to whatever form he is expected to be performing up to. I in no way thought his fumbles were that big a problem, especially since at least 2 of the 5 came when he was BLASTED behind the line by an untouched LB. The first one just happened to bounce into Barber\'s hands in the first Tampa game. I hope we can move past that being used as a \"problem\" now.

FireVenturi · 02-01-2005, 03:05 PM

Nice work Scotty. I am with BNB, I really don\'t see why we are discussing Deuce. Could he stand a better conditioning program in the offseason? Hell yeah. I hope the new RB coach will help with that. But I don\'t think he is so far off the wagon as to not be able to get back to whatever form he is expected to be performing up to. I in no way thought his fumbles were that big a problem, especially since at least 2 of the 5 came when he was BLASTED behind the line by an untouched LB. The first one just happened to bounce into Barber\'s hands in the first Tampa game. I hope we can move past that being used as a \"problem\" now.

Alot of Rb\'s get blasted behind the line and dont fumble that much.Just my opinion, his head was somewhere else last year, but I think he will back after we hopefully tell him he gets an extension when he becomes a top 5 RB. Barber did it with just as crappy O-line as we have!

02-01-2005, 12:44 PM	#41
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Deuce is lazy? Scotty, I\'m hoping you recognize my post as necessarily sarcastic Whew. I thought for a minute you had slipped over to the dark side. I recognize his faults. It\'s just that to me they are insignificant compared to other players/positions on the team. As far as speed is concerned, you\'re right B&B. I guess I was really talking about top-speed. He has great deceptive speed, which has not been seen much because he can\'t get as many breakaways as in the past.

02-01-2005, 12:54 PM	#42
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Deuce is lazy? Not sure why this is even a discussion. Because we have a 2000 yard RB who has 1. gained 1000 yards (big fricking whoop!) 2. gained a lot of weight (look at his 2001 pics vesus 2004) 3. now appears injury prone (anybody think weight and conditioning may effect that?) 4. fumbles more than he ever used to 5. has always had questionable conditioning habits. 6. gotten a free pass for a year and a half because he\'s \"better than average\" 7. mopes on the sidelines 8. openly questions coaches and schemes 9. admitted to quitting I\'m shocked that you can\'t even see why this is a discussion. Its amazing. Now I see how frustrating it is to deal with a 100% pure Brooks apologist.

02-01-2005, 12:57 PM	#43
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Deuce is lazy? 9. admitted to quitting I was gone for a while this year. I didn\'t hear about this. What happened? Someone tell me the story...?
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02-01-2005, 01:11 PM	#44
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Deuce is lazy? 9. admitted to quitting I was gone for a while this year. I didn\'t hear about this. What happened? Someone tell me the story...? Its useless Billy. No matter what you point out there will be a ton of EXCUSES thrown in your face. EXCUSES, the names change but the excuses persist. I give up. And I\'m gonna get fatter and lazier. Nothing rallies the troop like excusing your team leader from underachieving. \"A Commitment to Excellence\" , err, I mean \"A Commitment to Mediocrity\" ExCuse McAllister

02-01-2005, 01:13 PM	#45
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Deuce is lazy? Because we have a 2000 yard RB who has Nobody has a 2000 yard back. A guy might get lucky and go over 2000 once, but that\'s it. Aren\'t there like ONLY 4 2000 yard seasons or something? I don\'t know if 4 is right but it\'s close. gained 1000 yards (big fricking whoop!) And this is your problem. Expectations. Your expecting something unattainable by any RB (2000 yards guaranteed) while forgetting how nice it is to have a 1000 yard RB. Again, he missed 3 games. If he just averaged 50 yards in each of those, he\'d have been much closer to 1200 yards on the season. I don\'t think that is overinflating what could have happened. What\'s wrong with 1000 yards or 1200 yards except your expectations were too high? it\'s not like I\'m saying he\'s the best in the NFl. Certainly there are things he needs to work on. It just seems like he\'s being unfairly and overly criticized. Almost as if you\'re trying to show everyone how unfair it is to single out one player without recognizing the influences that might have kept him from achieving good production. But, that can\'t be it cuz that\'d be an agenda.

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02-01-2005, 01:19 PM	#46
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Deuce is lazy? Because we have a 2000 yard RB who has Nobody has a 2000 yard back. A guy might get lucky and go over 2000 once, but that\'s it. Aren\'t there like ONLY 4 2000 yard seasons or something? I don\'t know if 4 is right but it\'s close. gained 1000 yards (big fricking whoop!) And this is your problem. Expectations. Your expecting something unattainable by any RB (2000 yards guaranteed) while forgetting how nice it is to have a 1000 yard RB. Again, he missed 3 games. If he just averaged 50 yards in each of those, he\'d have been much closer to 1200 yards on the season. I don\'t think that is overinflating what could have happened. What\'s wrong with 1000 yards or 1200 yards except your expectations were too high? it\'s not like I\'m saying he\'s the best in the NFl. Certainly there are things he needs to work on. It just seems like he\'s being unfairly and overly criticized. Almost as if you\'re trying to show everyone how unfair it is to single out one player without recognizing the influences that might have kept him from achieving good production. But, that can\'t be it cuz that\'d be an agenda. He has the talent and ability to be a 2000 yard back. I\'m an equal opportunity caller-outer. When I see a player NOT being called out while other players are, I call BS on that. It has nothing to do with an agenda. It has everything to do with calling like it is.

02-01-2005, 01:41 PM	#47
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Deuce is lazy? I\'m an equal opportunity caller-outer. Me too!!!!!!! But I\'m also an equal opportunity defender. There ain\'t many players I would trade Deuce for. I like him a lot...... I\'d trade Brooks before I would Deuce. Although, 1000 yard runningbacks are MUCH easier to find than a good starting QB. But, that\'s another discussion. No player, or coach, is without some blame. Deuce included. But, to be honest, I\'m really not that worried about Deuce... I do agree with a lot of what Danno is saying. All stats aside. Deuce needs to be more of a leader, work harder, stay in better shape. I never hear of Deuce making any speeches to the team. Hey, at least Brooks\' tries. I stick up for Brooks a lot because I think he gets unfairly critcized. But Brooks is not without fault either. He needs to close his trap and just play football. He needs to take on a bigger leadership role. Brooks needs to throw better passes and stop trying to make a play when nothing is there.
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616

02-01-2005, 01:59 PM	#48
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Deuce is lazy? Ok, so you\'re calling out a player who did not rush for 2000 yards. Get your voicebox warmed up because you\'ve got 31 other RB starters throughout the league to call out too. Nobody rushed for more than 1700 yards this season. EXPECTATIONS. I\'d feel better about it if you\'d say you\'re upset that he didn\'t make 1500 yards. That\'d at least be a more reasonable figure. Although I\'ll point out that only 5 Rbs in the NFL even eclipsed that figure. In my estimation Deuce didn\'t have a top 10 year and that\'s a shame, but not reason to jump on him like this. I\'ll go ahead and dispell this \"fumbles\" myth too while I\'m at it. Chris Brown, Ahman Green, and Edgerrin James all had 6 fumbles. Reuben Droughns, McAllister, Portis, M. Pittman and Tomlinson all had 5. Alexander, Dillon, Holmes, Johnson, And Emmitt Smith all had 4. That\'s not too bad of company to be in. If your main argument is just that he has increased his fumbling then, again, your expectations might be too high since all these other top RBs performed similarly.

02-01-2005, 02:56 PM	#49
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Deuce is lazy? Nice work Scotty. I am with BNB, I really don\'t see why we are discussing Deuce. Could he stand a better conditioning program in the offseason? Hell yeah. I hope the new RB coach will help with that. But I don\'t think he is so far off the wagon as to not be able to get back to whatever form he is expected to be performing up to. I in no way thought his fumbles were that big a problem, especially since at least 2 of the 5 came when he was BLASTED behind the line by an untouched LB. The first one just happened to bounce into Barber\'s hands in the first Tampa game. I hope we can move past that being used as a \"problem\" now.

02-01-2005, 03:05 PM	#50
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Deuce is lazy? Nice work Scotty. I am with BNB, I really don\'t see why we are discussing Deuce. Could he stand a better conditioning program in the offseason? Hell yeah. I hope the new RB coach will help with that. But I don\'t think he is so far off the wagon as to not be able to get back to whatever form he is expected to be performing up to. I in no way thought his fumbles were that big a problem, especially since at least 2 of the 5 came when he was BLASTED behind the line by an untouched LB. The first one just happened to bounce into Barber\'s hands in the first Tampa game. I hope we can move past that being used as a \"problem\" now. Alot of Rb\'s get blasted behind the line and dont fumble that much.Just my opinion, his head was somewhere else last year, but I think he will back after we hopefully tell him he gets an extension when he becomes a top 5 RB. Barber did it with just as crappy O-line as we have!