AB doomed Braylon Edwards

saintswhodi · 02-05-2005, 10:21 PM

Fire Venturi, I don\'t know if you saw Boo at Arkansas or Donte at Tennessee or Pathon with Indy or Conwell in St. Louis, but all of them most certainly can catch. It seems to be something about being here that is effecting them. I only wonder what it could be.

Cassady37 · 02-06-2005, 11:59 AM

I hate to even start down this road..but..here goes...what if BROOKS doesn\'t have the desire in himself to do 100% ? That, in effect, would dampen the inspiration and in turn kills the leadership. Most other positions on the offense are just one-dimensional, if Horn, for example, decides not to play a 100% it only effects the outcome of his particular position and play. Yes, it hurts the team as a whole but you can always go to another receiver or running back for that spark. If the QB fails in inspiration and leadership if effects every position on the team.

saintswhodi · 02-06-2005, 12:11 PM

True dat.

FireVenturi · 02-06-2005, 12:25 PM

Fire Venturi, I don\'t know if you saw Boo at Arkansas or Donte at Tennessee or Pathon with Indy or Conwell in St. Louis, but all of them most certainly can catch. It seems to be something about being here that is effecting them. I only wonder what it could be.

Didn\'t see the same DOnte I saw at Tenn. I was screaming for us to draft Lelie instead of Donte for that reason.

saintswhodi · 02-06-2005, 01:35 PM

The Donte\' I saw at Tennesse was a gamebreaker, but he had decent quarterbacking, yes Clausen I believe it was. He was high on a lot of draft board for that ability. I don\'t see how he would come to the pros and regress, although injuries have hampered him every year but this one. HE still doesn\'t have a consistent QB. One minute he is rifling a slant into the dirt and the next he is floating a deep ball over his head. Kinda hard to get a rhythm like that.

FireVenturi · 02-06-2005, 01:54 PM

The Donte\' I saw at Tennesse was a gamebreaker, but he had decent quarterbacking, yes Clausen I believe it was. He was high on a lot of draft board for that ability. I don\'t see how he would come to the pros and regress, although injuries have hampered him every year but this one. HE still doesn\'t have a consistent QB. One minute he is rifling a slant into the dirt and the next he is floating a deep ball over his head. Kinda hard to get a rhythm like that.

Or dropping a ball in his hands

saintswhodi · 02-06-2005, 02:02 PM

Exactly. I repeat again, kinda hard to get in a rhythm like that.

xan · 02-06-2005, 03:28 PM

Gumbo, I\'m not really picking on you here, but -

I believe that leadership is the accumulation of small successes (inspirations) that transcend an individual\'s contribution and the group\'s dependence on that individual\'s reliability and good judgment.

Inspiration is the result of an (usually) uplifting effort. As in, \"His heroics on the football field were an INSPIRATION to us all.\"

Inspiration is not an ability. Inspiration is bourne from acts of genius and leadership and daring. It is the crossing of untamed boundaries. It is a final product upon which a superlative value is placed.

When addressing any member of the Saints, it is important to delineate between the action and attitude. It cannot be argued that there have been many moments where there has been inspired play and leaders to acclaim.

The frustration that I have is that there appear to be certain boundaries that key components (or any for that matter) cannot or will not dare to cross. It is true that success is 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration. The boundary that this group has yet to cross is that between HOPE and EXPECTATION.

Joe Horn EXPECTS to catch the pass because he EXPECTS the ball to be thrown to him, whether the play is designed toward him or not. Sure, he drops passes, who doesn\'t, but, like in Michael Lewis\' \"Moneyball\", the difference between an All-Star hitter and a minor leaguer is their ability to forget the last strikeout and focus on the next at bat, negating the value-judgment castigation or self-reverence of the previous result.

Great leaders go right back to the guy who made a mistake to show his confidence and offer redemption. Great fools continue to make the same mistake without learning.

Brooks has the ability to punish by altering plays to distance the ball from a skill player or direct the angle of attack away from the weak link. Just as he has the ability to reinforce confidence by doing the opposite. The ultimate question is whether he has the judement to understand when to apply the \"reward/punishment\" system in ways that his teammates understand and in ways that move the team toward its goals.

Yet it isn\'t limited to LEON, here. His coaches have to field the blame for placing him in situations where he will fail either to execute or make good judgment. His teammates have to not make things harder on themselves (and LEON) by doing stupid things like pre-snap penalties. But enough about accepting responsibility for one\'s \"inspirations.\"

In sum, leadership is derived from repeated acts of boundary crossing inspiration and the seemingly contradictory act of ignoring that previous result (except to learn the \"why\") to focus the group on the task at hand. It is the core of the debate as to whether Aaron Brooks should be allowed to continue in his role.

02-05-2005, 10:21 PM	#21
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	AB doomed Braylon Edwards Fire Venturi, I don\'t know if you saw Boo at Arkansas or Donte at Tennessee or Pathon with Indy or Conwell in St. Louis, but all of them most certainly can catch. It seems to be something about being here that is effecting them. I only wonder what it could be.

02-06-2005, 11:59 AM	#22
Cassady37 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kilgore, Texas Posts: 337	AB doomed Braylon Edwards I hate to even start down this road..but..here goes...what if BROOKS doesn\'t have the desire in himself to do 100% ? That, in effect, would dampen the inspiration and in turn kills the leadership. Most other positions on the offense are just one-dimensional, if Horn, for example, decides not to play a 100% it only effects the outcome of his particular position and play. Yes, it hurts the team as a whole but you can always go to another receiver or running back for that spark. If the QB fails in inspiration and leadership if effects every position on the team.

02-06-2005, 12:11 PM	#23
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	AB doomed Braylon Edwards True dat.

02-06-2005, 12:25 PM	#24
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	AB doomed Braylon Edwards Fire Venturi, I don\'t know if you saw Boo at Arkansas or Donte at Tennessee or Pathon with Indy or Conwell in St. Louis, but all of them most certainly can catch. It seems to be something about being here that is effecting them. I only wonder what it could be. Didn\'t see the same DOnte I saw at Tenn. I was screaming for us to draft Lelie instead of Donte for that reason.

02-06-2005, 01:35 PM	#25
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	AB doomed Braylon Edwards The Donte\' I saw at Tennesse was a gamebreaker, but he had decent quarterbacking, yes Clausen I believe it was. He was high on a lot of draft board for that ability. I don\'t see how he would come to the pros and regress, although injuries have hampered him every year but this one. HE still doesn\'t have a consistent QB. One minute he is rifling a slant into the dirt and the next he is floating a deep ball over his head. Kinda hard to get a rhythm like that.

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02-06-2005, 01:54 PM	#26
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	AB doomed Braylon Edwards The Donte\' I saw at Tennesse was a gamebreaker, but he had decent quarterbacking, yes Clausen I believe it was. He was high on a lot of draft board for that ability. I don\'t see how he would come to the pros and regress, although injuries have hampered him every year but this one. HE still doesn\'t have a consistent QB. One minute he is rifling a slant into the dirt and the next he is floating a deep ball over his head. Kinda hard to get a rhythm like that. Or dropping a ball in his hands

02-06-2005, 02:02 PM	#27
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	AB doomed Braylon Edwards Exactly. I repeat again, kinda hard to get in a rhythm like that.

02-06-2005, 03:28 PM	#28
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,371 Blog Entries: 34	AB doomed Braylon Edwards Gumbo, I\'m not really picking on you here, but - I believe that leadership is the accumulation of small successes (inspirations) that transcend an individual\'s contribution and the group\'s dependence on that individual\'s reliability and good judgment. Inspiration is the result of an (usually) uplifting effort. As in, \"His heroics on the football field were an INSPIRATION to us all.\" Inspiration is not an ability. Inspiration is bourne from acts of genius and leadership and daring. It is the crossing of untamed boundaries. It is a final product upon which a superlative value is placed. When addressing any member of the Saints, it is important to delineate between the action and attitude. It cannot be argued that there have been many moments where there has been inspired play and leaders to acclaim. The frustration that I have is that there appear to be certain boundaries that key components (or any for that matter) cannot or will not dare to cross. It is true that success is 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration. The boundary that this group has yet to cross is that between HOPE and EXPECTATION. Joe Horn EXPECTS to catch the pass because he EXPECTS the ball to be thrown to him, whether the play is designed toward him or not. Sure, he drops passes, who doesn\'t, but, like in Michael Lewis\' \"Moneyball\", the difference between an All-Star hitter and a minor leaguer is their ability to forget the last strikeout and focus on the next at bat, negating the value-judgment castigation or self-reverence of the previous result. Great leaders go right back to the guy who made a mistake to show his confidence and offer redemption. Great fools continue to make the same mistake without learning. Brooks has the ability to punish by altering plays to distance the ball from a skill player or direct the angle of attack away from the weak link. Just as he has the ability to reinforce confidence by doing the opposite. The ultimate question is whether he has the judement to understand when to apply the \"reward/punishment\" system in ways that his teammates understand and in ways that move the team toward its goals. Yet it isn\'t limited to LEON, here. His coaches have to field the blame for placing him in situations where he will fail either to execute or make good judgment. His teammates have to not make things harder on themselves (and LEON) by doing stupid things like pre-snap penalties. But enough about accepting responsibility for one\'s \"inspirations.\" In sum, leadership is derived from repeated acts of boundary crossing inspiration and the seemingly contradictory act of ignoring that previous result (except to learn the \"why\") to focus the group on the task at hand. It is the core of the debate as to whether Aaron Brooks should be allowed to continue in his role.
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