Sean Payton needs to give up play calling duties

GeauxForMore · 09-24-2015, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

This thread is FREAKING STUPID. The problem over the years has been DEFENSE AND DRAFTS and slightly better teams.

This year the proble is 25 new players, Brees injury killing the passing game over 10 yards, young WRs and penalties. Throw in salary cap numbers to keep the team competitive for 9 years, and if you still think Payton is the problem, you must be a new fan or not paying attention.

Saints Offense Yards Per Game - Regular Season
2014 #1
2013 #4
2012 #2
2011 #1
2010 #6
2009 #1
2008 #1
2007 #4
2006 #1
Some fans are just stupid dog lovers.

If you think it's stupid please be a adult and not comment. Actually I have been watching, this year's team....you can quote past success but we are talking about the 2015 Saints. Change is need because of the 25 player you quoted. More then ever Sean need to be a head coach not a offensive head coach. I really don't see where I said Payton was the problem so please tell me where you got that from. Anyway Sean is a great coach just like Brees is a great QB, it's time to trust the system he has put in place with the OC and #9 and focus more on other parts of the team. Oh and I don't like dogs.

blackangold · 09-24-2015, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by exile

And give it to who? That's a silly statement. Payton is better than anyone we bring in to call plays.

How about Carmichael who has already demonstrated he is a better play caller.

foreverfan · 09-24-2015, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by GeauxForMore

If you think it's stupid please be a adult and not comment. Actually I have been watching, this year's team....you can quote past success but we are talking about the 2015 Saints. Change is need because of the 25 player you quoted. More then ever Sean need to be a head coach not a offensive head coach. I really don't see where I said Payton was the problem so please tell me where you got that from. Anyway Sean is a great coach just like Brees is a great QB, it's time to trust the system he has put in place with the OC and #9 and focus more on other parts of the team. Oh and I don't like dogs.

Payton isn't the problem in 2015 and it is stupid to think so. Maybe it is all of the problems with Benson and the ownership. Did anyone point that out?

Maybe because training camp wasn't played in the heat of Metairie for the 2nd time. It ain't Payton. Payton is doing what he does best. Suggesting anything else would still put us at 0-2.

pherein · 09-24-2015, 09:49 PM

I have no idea why people pick on SP when the defense has sucked for so long.
Your try putting up 35pts a game for 9 years to win, its pathetic. We should be Booing them every time they waste clock and allow 30 pts.
We have had the worst defense in the NFL for 9 years and the best offense in the NFL for 9 years, and your mad at SP?
Im piss at some of his calls, but I know what lost us playoff games, and cant hold, and that defense. They suck

dizzle88 · 09-25-2015, 03:38 AM

Originally Posted by pherein

I have no idea why people pick on SP when the defense has sucked for so long.
Your try putting up 35pts a game for 9 years to win, its pathetic. We should be Booing them every time they waste clock and allow 30 pts.
We have had the worst defense in the NFL for 9 years and the best offense in the NFL for 9 years, and your mad at SP?
Im piss at some of his calls, but I know what lost us playoff games, and cant hold, and that defense. They suck

I understand what you mean but the offense has been letting us down for 2 seasons now, especially at home.

Look at last year

Vs falcons in the dome we scored 7 points
Vs Bengals in the dome we scored 10 points
Vs panthers in the dome we scored 10 points

Of course the defense will let up points if the offense are on the field all of 15 seconds and then punt it straight back.

dizzle88 · 09-25-2015, 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

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[B]Saints Offense Yards Per Game - Regular Season
2014 #1
2013 #4
2012 #2
2011 #1
2010 #6
2009 #1
2008 #1
2007 #4
2006 #1

Do yards win games though?
Last time I checked we had 408 yards vs the cardinals but came away empty on 3 redzone trips.

Crusader · 09-25-2015, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Do yards win games though?
Last time I checked we had 408 yards vs the cardinals but came away empty on 3 redzone trips.

Not always but in general yards do win games. However you have to factor in things like turnovers since that can skew how much yards a team produces. Hidden yards are a key, penalties, returns etc.

MatthewT · 09-25-2015, 08:13 AM

Not sure if the play calling is a real issue, but I get the point of it for the reason to focus on being the head coach. The problem with anyone trying to call plays is the talent level is considerably lower than it was just a few years back. Devery Henderson, Lance Moore, Jeremy Shockey/Jimmy Graham, Darren Sproles, Pierre Thomas, Colston in his prime, okay now that you get the point where are the replacements for all these guys? Brandin Cooks is a nice start but who else do the Saints have in the passing game?

Rsanders24 · 09-25-2015, 08:36 AM

A head coaches job should be to focus on the area of the team that needs the most help....I'm sick of everyone complaining about the defense when everyone of us and every other team knew it would suck....well now we have the offense to match. I will say this again....for the last 4 years everyone said lets just not have the worst defense in the league and we would win 10+ games. But that's what happens when you just trade all your weapons on offense away.

Now, let's talk about Brees...before the hit last week he couldn't throw the ball down the field so don't use this injury as an excuse. When was the last time he three a 40 yrd or more pass down the field that a wr didn't have to stop a wait for the ball to fall out the sky? This team sucks right now period...and I'm for anything that might help so just maybe Carmichael might give us a different look on offense.

jeanpierre · 09-25-2015, 08:57 AM

First of all, one or more of the veterans is inadvertantly tipping our plays at the line; as much film as there is on these guys, someone was bound to find something...

Second, the right side of our line is 30+ years old, each, have gotten paid, so there not as spry as they once were...

Third, the best receiver in franchise history and probably as classy a person that has donned the black and gold probably has an arthritic knee and has been giving one of the bravest performance in sports right before our eyes with no fanfare - a trademark of his character...

Fourth, we've got a 2015 rookie first round pick who came in out-of-shape (not the first) who needs to step the **** up and energize the right side of this offensive line...

Fifth, we had two second round picks taken from us in back to back drafts - not that the Saints have done a stellar job in the draft prior to Jeff Ireland's arrival, but look at some of the names in those rounds that would have been there and process...

Finally, the front office decisions with regards to Free Agency have been as big a handicap as the loss of those two second round picks; failing to outmaneuver Brees and agent by not signing Carl Nicks ahead of Brees, overpaying, rather over-extending for Evans, failing to sign a very affordable free agent guard this season, the front office effort and decision making has been completely awful since the fortunate bounces in 2006...

Now that processed, when you factor the committments to Unger, Spiller and Ingram, as well as having the luxury of Khiry Robionson, not to mention an untapped Marcus Murphy, Payton has got to make more of a committment to the run...

09-24-2015, 08:56 PM	#11
GeauxForMore 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Panama City, FL Posts: 588	Re: Sean Payton needs to give up play calling duties Originally Posted by foreverfan This thread is FREAKING STUPID. The problem over the years has been DEFENSE AND DRAFTS and slightly better teams. This year the proble is 25 new players, Brees injury killing the passing game over 10 yards, young WRs and penalties. Throw in salary cap numbers to keep the team competitive for 9 years, and if you still think Payton is the problem, you must be a new fan or not paying attention. Saints Offense Yards Per Game - Regular Season 2014 #1 2013 #4 2012 #2 2011 #1 2010 #6 2009 #1 2008 #1 2007 #4 2006 #1 Some fans are just stupid dog lovers. If you think it's stupid please be a adult and not comment. Actually I have been watching, this year's team....you can quote past success but we are talking about the 2015 Saints. Change is need because of the 25 player you quoted. More then ever Sean need to be a head coach not a offensive head coach. I really don't see where I said Payton was the problem so please tell me where you got that from. Anyway Sean is a great coach just like Brees is a great QB, it's time to trust the system he has put in place with the OC and #9 and focus more on other parts of the team. Oh and I don't like dogs. Halo and foreverfan like this.

09-24-2015, 09:15 PM	#12
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Sean Payton needs to give up play calling duties Originally Posted by exile And give it to who? That's a silly statement. Payton is better than anyone we bring in to call plays. How about Carmichael who has already demonstrated he is a better play caller.

09-24-2015, 09:25 PM	#13
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Sean Payton needs to give up play calling duties Originally Posted by GeauxForMore If you think it's stupid please be a adult and not comment. Actually I have been watching, this year's team....you can quote past success but we are talking about the 2015 Saints. Change is need because of the 25 player you quoted. More then ever Sean need to be a head coach not a offensive head coach. I really don't see where I said Payton was the problem so please tell me where you got that from. Anyway Sean is a great coach just like Brees is a great QB, it's time to trust the system he has put in place with the OC and #9 and focus more on other parts of the team. Oh and I don't like dogs. Payton isn't the problem in 2015 and it is stupid to think so. Maybe it is all of the problems with Benson and the ownership. Did anyone point that out? Maybe because training camp wasn't played in the heat of Metairie for the 2nd time. It ain't Payton. Payton is doing what he does best. Suggesting anything else would still put us at 0-2. captainshawn likes this.

09-24-2015, 09:49 PM	#14
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Sean Payton needs to give up play calling duties I have no idea why people pick on SP when the defense has sucked for so long. Your try putting up 35pts a game for 9 years to win, its pathetic. We should be Booing them every time they waste clock and allow 30 pts. We have had the worst defense in the NFL for 9 years and the best offense in the NFL for 9 years, and your mad at SP? Im piss at some of his calls, but I know what lost us playoff games, and cant hold, and that defense. They suck foreverfan and captainshawn like this.
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09-25-2015, 03:38 AM	#15
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Sean Payton needs to give up play calling duties Originally Posted by pherein I have no idea why people pick on SP when the defense has sucked for so long. Your try putting up 35pts a game for 9 years to win, its pathetic. We should be Booing them every time they waste clock and allow 30 pts. We have had the worst defense in the NFL for 9 years and the best offense in the NFL for 9 years, and your mad at SP? Im piss at some of his calls, but I know what lost us playoff games, and cant hold, and that defense. They suck I understand what you mean but the offense has been letting us down for 2 seasons now, especially at home. Look at last year Vs falcons in the dome we scored 7 points Vs Bengals in the dome we scored 10 points Vs panthers in the dome we scored 10 points Of course the defense will let up points if the offense are on the field all of 15 seconds and then punt it straight back.

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09-25-2015, 03:41 AM	#16
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Sean Payton needs to give up play calling duties Originally Posted by foreverfan [B] [B]Saints Offense Yards Per Game - Regular Season 2014 #1 2013 #4 2012 #2 2011 #1 2010 #6 2009 #1 2008 #1 2007 #4 2006 #1 Do yards win games though? Last time I checked we had 408 yards vs the cardinals but came away empty on 3 redzone trips. Rsanders24 likes this.

09-25-2015, 04:25 AM	#17
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: Sean Payton needs to give up play calling duties Originally Posted by dizzle88 Do yards win games though? Last time I checked we had 408 yards vs the cardinals but came away empty on 3 redzone trips. Not always but in general yards do win games. However you have to factor in things like turnovers since that can skew how much yards a team produces. Hidden yards are a key, penalties, returns etc.

09-25-2015, 08:13 AM	#18
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Sean Payton needs to give up play calling duties Not sure if the play calling is a real issue, but I get the point of it for the reason to focus on being the head coach. The problem with anyone trying to call plays is the talent level is considerably lower than it was just a few years back. Devery Henderson, Lance Moore, Jeremy Shockey/Jimmy Graham, Darren Sproles, Pierre Thomas, Colston in his prime, okay now that you get the point where are the replacements for all these guys? Brandin Cooks is a nice start but who else do the Saints have in the passing game? foreverfan likes this.

09-25-2015, 08:36 AM	#19
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: Sean Payton needs to give up play calling duties A head coaches job should be to focus on the area of the team that needs the most help....I'm sick of everyone complaining about the defense when everyone of us and every other team knew it would suck....well now we have the offense to match. I will say this again....for the last 4 years everyone said lets just not have the worst defense in the league and we would win 10+ games. But that's what happens when you just trade all your weapons on offense away. Now, let's talk about Brees...before the hit last week he couldn't throw the ball down the field so don't use this injury as an excuse. When was the last time he three a 40 yrd or more pass down the field that a wr didn't have to stop a wait for the ball to fall out the sky? This team sucks right now period...and I'm for anything that might help so just maybe Carmichael might give us a different look on offense.

09-25-2015, 08:57 AM	#20
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Sean Payton needs to give up play calling duties First of all, one or more of the veterans is inadvertantly tipping our plays at the line; as much film as there is on these guys, someone was bound to find something... Second, the right side of our line is 30+ years old, each, have gotten paid, so there not as spry as they once were... Third, the best receiver in franchise history and probably as classy a person that has donned the black and gold probably has an arthritic knee and has been giving one of the bravest performance in sports right before our eyes with no fanfare - a trademark of his character... Fourth, we've got a 2015 rookie first round pick who came in out-of-shape (not the first) who needs to step the **** up and energize the right side of this offensive line... Fifth, we had two second round picks taken from us in back to back drafts - not that the Saints have done a stellar job in the draft prior to Jeff Ireland's arrival, but look at some of the names in those rounds that would have been there and process... Finally, the front office decisions with regards to Free Agency have been as big a handicap as the loss of those two second round picks; failing to outmaneuver Brees and agent by not signing Carl Nicks ahead of Brees, overpaying, rather over-extending for Evans, failing to sign a very affordable free agent guard this season, the front office effort and decision making has been completely awful since the fortunate bounces in 2006... Now that processed, when you factor the committments to Unger, Spiller and Ingram, as well as having the luxury of Khiry Robionson, not to mention an untapped Marcus Murphy, Payton has got to make more of a committment to the run...
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