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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; A head coaches job should be to focus on the area of the team that needs the most help....I'm sick of everyone complaining about the defense when everyone of us and every other team knew it would suck....well now we ...

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Old 09-25-2015, 07:36 AM   #1
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Re: Sean Payton needs to give up play calling duties

A head coaches job should be to focus on the area of the team that needs the most help....I'm sick of everyone complaining about the defense when everyone of us and every other team knew it would suck....well now we have the offense to match. I will say this again....for the last 4 years everyone said lets just not have the worst defense in the league and we would win 10+ games. But that's what happens when you just trade all your weapons on offense away.

Now, let's talk about Brees...before the hit last week he couldn't throw the ball down the field so don't use this injury as an excuse. When was the last time he three a 40 yrd or more pass down the field that a wr didn't have to stop a wait for the ball to fall out the sky? This team sucks right now period...and I'm for anything that might help so just maybe Carmichael might give us a different look on offense.
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Re: Sean Payton needs to give up play calling duties

First of all, one or more of the veterans is inadvertantly tipping our plays at the line; as much film as there is on these guys, someone was bound to find something...

Second, the right side of our line is 30+ years old, each, have gotten paid, so there not as spry as they once were...

Third, the best receiver in franchise history and probably as classy a person that has donned the black and gold probably has an arthritic knee and has been giving one of the bravest performance in sports right before our eyes with no fanfare - a trademark of his character...

Fourth, we've got a 2015 rookie first round pick who came in out-of-shape (not the first) who needs to step the **** up and energize the right side of this offensive line...

Fifth, we had two second round picks taken from us in back to back drafts - not that the Saints have done a stellar job in the draft prior to Jeff Ireland's arrival, but look at some of the names in those rounds that would have been there and process...

Finally, the front office decisions with regards to Free Agency have been as big a handicap as the loss of those two second round picks; failing to outmaneuver Brees and agent by not signing Carl Nicks ahead of Brees, overpaying, rather over-extending for Evans, failing to sign a very affordable free agent guard this season, the front office effort and decision making has been completely awful since the fortunate bounces in 2006...

Now that processed, when you factor the committments to Unger, Spiller and Ingram, as well as having the luxury of Khiry Robionson, not to mention an untapped Marcus Murphy, Payton has got to make more of a committment to the run...

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Old 09-25-2015, 09:09 AM   #3
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I understand all the stats and all that but and I say but, most of drews yards are thrash yards at the end of games that don't put winning games in the stat mode thrash yards. after game is over or been over,the comeback stats or getting old because its been awhile since he led a comeback.
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Old 09-25-2015, 09:19 AM   #4
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Re: Sean Payton needs to give up play calling duties

Good points on both sides of this.
Giving up play calling helps him focus on HC of a real new team.
On the other side, ineffective execution and inability of receivers to get separation means to me that it wouldn't matter who was calling the plays.
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Re: Sean Payton needs to give up play calling duties

Isn't the purpose of offense to score points? Fantasy Football owners know that QBs & WRs rack of monster yards when they are constantly trailing in the 2nd half.

This "#1 Offense" business is waaay misleading.

Scoring Offense Numbers (NFL Ranks) NFL.com

New Orleans Saints

2014: #9
2013: #10
2012: #3 Carmichael calling plays
2011: #2 Carmichael calling plays
2010: #11
2009: #1 (Super Bowl)

The argument I make is in the numbers: I believe Carmichael can get this offense to put up more points than Payton can with play-calling. The NFL has Payton figured out & I'm thinking "something is rotten in the state of Denmark" between QB & HC. Just my opinion, though.
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Re: Sean Payton needs to give up play calling duties

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Isn't the purpose of offense to score points? Fantasy Football owners know that QBs & WRs rack of monster yards when they are constantly trailing in the 2nd half.

This "#1 Offense" business is waaay misleading.

Scoring Offense Numbers (NFL Ranks) NFL.com

New Orleans Saints

2014: #9
2013: #10
2012: #3 Carmichael calling plays
2011: #2 Carmichael calling plays
2010: #11
2009: #1 (Super Bowl)

The argument I make is in the numbers: I believe Carmichael can get this offense to put up more points than Payton can with play-calling. The NFL has Payton figured out & I'm thinking "something is rotten in the state of Denmark" between QB & HC. Just my opinion, though.
Good stats thanks though if you look at passing offense we were #2 in 2013 and so on. I agree O is to make points. Carmichael is a great play caller. People can see the passes as garbage yards or #2 at 3rd downs as meaning nothing in the same year, but it might also be that your playmakers got the ball and couldnt get in the enzone. In 2013 we were 12th in the redzone. We are currently 17th.

New Orleans Saints red zone
2015: #17
2014: #7
2013: #12
2012: #2 Carmichael calling plays
2011: #6 Carmichael calling plays
2010: #19
2009: #5 (Super Bowl)

I dont even want to look up D its all 25-32. And allot of these stats get messed up because your D is always failing so your fighting desperate all the time. With a 15-10th ranked D those stats would be higher.

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Now its time for another miracle SuperBowl and go where no pig has gone before.


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