Sean Payton needs to give up play calling duties

st thomas · 09-25-2015, 10:09 AM

I understand all the stats and all that but and I say but, most of drews yards are thrash yards at the end of games that don't put winning games in the stat mode thrash yards. after game is over or been over,the comeback stats or getting old because its been awhile since he led a comeback.

Mardigras9 · 09-25-2015, 10:19 AM

Good points on both sides of this.
Giving up play calling helps him focus on HC of a real new team.
On the other side, ineffective execution and inability of receivers to get separation means to me that it wouldn't matter who was calling the plays.

Barry from MS · 09-25-2015, 02:44 PM

Isn't the purpose of offense to score points? Fantasy Football owners know that QBs & WRs rack of monster yards when they are constantly trailing in the 2nd half.

This "#1 Offense" business is waaay misleading.

Scoring Offense Numbers (NFL Ranks) NFL.com

New Orleans Saints

2014: #9
2013: #10
2012: #3 Carmichael calling plays
2011: #2 Carmichael calling plays
2010: #11
2009: #1 (Super Bowl)

The argument I make is in the numbers: I believe Carmichael can get this offense to put up more points than Payton can with play-calling. The NFL has Payton figured out & I'm thinking "something is rotten in the state of Denmark" between QB & HC. Just my opinion, though.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-25-2015, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by exile

And give it to who? That's a silly statement. Payton is better than anyone we bring in to call plays.

Not silly at all. Pete Carmichael is the Saints offensive coordinator. He has had play calling duties for the team for a season and a half over the past 5 seasons. I don't have the numbers right in front of me but I'm almost certain that the Saints offense was #1 or #2 in both yards and points during his tenure.

Payton calls plays out of ego, not out of necessity. He should have given up that job when he came back in 2013 after seeing the outstanding job Carmichael did in 2012 while Payton was on suspension.

SFIAH

pherein · 09-25-2015, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Do yards win games though?
Last time I checked we had 408 yards vs the cardinals but came away empty on 3 redzone trips.

Want me to pull up TD's, 3rd down conversions, redzone, and 1st downs ? Ive looked at them 100 times, its the same. Im assuming you can do your own homework.
No one is #1 in every catagory, but we have hardly gone below 5th in any catagory for 9 seasons. So whats your point ?
You know its an accurate stat. Just saying diz, you know Im not trying to make the O look better than they are.
I was totally pissed at SP's calls this and last season. Pissed at Brees for losing 3 games last year.
But you know as well as I do we might have had 2-3 rings by now if we didnt have a sucky D. Better yet look at the D stats lol . You lauph your ass off.
If I was OC for saints for sense SP I would have ended up in jail, because I know I would have shot a few of the DC's.

pherein · 09-25-2015, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

Isn't the purpose of offense to score points? Fantasy Football owners know that QBs & WRs rack of monster yards when they are constantly trailing in the 2nd half.

This "#1 Offense" business is waaay misleading.

Scoring Offense Numbers (NFL Ranks) NFL.com

New Orleans Saints

2014: #9
2013: #10
2012: #3 Carmichael calling plays
2011: #2 Carmichael calling plays
2010: #11
2009: #1 (Super Bowl)

The argument I make is in the numbers: I believe Carmichael can get this offense to put up more points than Payton can with play-calling. The NFL has Payton figured out & I'm thinking "something is rotten in the state of Denmark" between QB & HC. Just my opinion, though.

Good stats thanks though if you look at passing offense we were #2 in 2013 and so on. I agree O is to make points. Carmichael is a great play caller. People can see the passes as garbage yards or #2 at 3rd downs as meaning nothing in the same year, but it might also be that your playmakers got the ball and couldnt get in the enzone. In 2013 we were 12th in the redzone. We are currently 17th.

New Orleans Saints red zone
2015: #17
2014: #7
2013: #12
2012: #2 Carmichael calling plays
2011: #6 Carmichael calling plays
2010: #19
2009: #5 (Super Bowl)

I dont even want to look up D its all 25-32. And allot of these stats get messed up because your D is always failing so your fighting desperate all the time. With a 15-10th ranked D those stats would be higher.

09-25-2015, 10:09 AM	#21
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Sean Payton needs to give up play calling duties I understand all the stats and all that but and I say but, most of drews yards are thrash yards at the end of games that don't put winning games in the stat mode thrash yards. after game is over or been over,the comeback stats or getting old because its been awhile since he led a comeback.

09-25-2015, 10:19 AM	#22
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Sean Payton needs to give up play calling duties Good points on both sides of this. Giving up play calling helps him focus on HC of a real new team. On the other side, ineffective execution and inability of receivers to get separation means to me that it wouldn't matter who was calling the plays.

09-25-2015, 02:44 PM	#23
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Sean Payton needs to give up play calling duties Isn't the purpose of offense to score points? Fantasy Football owners know that QBs & WRs rack of monster yards when they are constantly trailing in the 2nd half. This "#1 Offense" business is waaay misleading. Scoring Offense Numbers (NFL Ranks) NFL.com New Orleans Saints 2014: #9 2013: #10 2012: #3 Carmichael calling plays 2011: #2 Carmichael calling plays 2010: #11 2009: #1 (Super Bowl) The argument I make is in the numbers: I believe Carmichael can get this offense to put up more points than Payton can with play-calling. The NFL has Payton figured out & I'm thinking "something is rotten in the state of Denmark" between QB & HC. Just my opinion, though. pherein likes this.
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09-25-2015, 03:18 PM	#24
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: Sean Payton needs to give up play calling duties Originally Posted by exile And give it to who? That's a silly statement. Payton is better than anyone we bring in to call plays. Not silly at all. Pete Carmichael is the Saints offensive coordinator. He has had play calling duties for the team for a season and a half over the past 5 seasons. I don't have the numbers right in front of me but I'm almost certain that the Saints offense was #1 or #2 in both yards and points during his tenure. Payton calls plays out of ego, not out of necessity. He should have given up that job when he came back in 2013 after seeing the outstanding job Carmichael did in 2012 while Payton was on suspension. SFIAH
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09-25-2015, 06:24 PM	#25
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Sean Payton needs to give up play calling duties Originally Posted by dizzle88 Do yards win games though? Last time I checked we had 408 yards vs the cardinals but came away empty on 3 redzone trips. Want me to pull up TD's, 3rd down conversions, redzone, and 1st downs ? Ive looked at them 100 times, its the same. Im assuming you can do your own homework. No one is #1 in every catagory, but we have hardly gone below 5th in any catagory for 9 seasons. So whats your point ? You know its an accurate stat. Just saying diz, you know Im not trying to make the O look better than they are. I was totally pissed at SP's calls this and last season. Pissed at Brees for losing 3 games last year. But you know as well as I do we might have had 2-3 rings by now if we didnt have a sucky D. Better yet look at the D stats lol . You lauph your ass off. If I was OC for saints for sense SP I would have ended up in jail, because I know I would have shot a few of the DC's.
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09-25-2015, 06:40 PM	#26
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Sean Payton needs to give up play calling duties Originally Posted by Barry from MS Isn't the purpose of offense to score points? Fantasy Football owners know that QBs & WRs rack of monster yards when they are constantly trailing in the 2nd half. This "#1 Offense" business is waaay misleading. Scoring Offense Numbers (NFL Ranks) NFL.com New Orleans Saints 2014: #9 2013: #10 2012: #3 Carmichael calling plays 2011: #2 Carmichael calling plays 2010: #11 2009: #1 (Super Bowl) The argument I make is in the numbers: I believe Carmichael can get this offense to put up more points than Payton can with play-calling. The NFL has Payton figured out & I'm thinking "something is rotten in the state of Denmark" between QB & HC. Just my opinion, though. Good stats thanks though if you look at passing offense we were #2 in 2013 and so on. I agree O is to make points. Carmichael is a great play caller. People can see the passes as garbage yards or #2 at 3rd downs as meaning nothing in the same year, but it might also be that your playmakers got the ball and couldnt get in the enzone. In 2013 we were 12th in the redzone. We are currently 17th. New Orleans Saints red zone 2015: #17 2014: #7 2013: #12 2012: #2 Carmichael calling plays 2011: #6 Carmichael calling plays 2010: #19 2009: #5 (Super Bowl) I dont even want to look up D its all 25-32. And allot of these stats get messed up because your D is always failing so your fighting desperate all the time. With a 15-10th ranked D those stats would be higher.
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