wonderlic

chRxis · 02-12-2005, 03:23 PM

i don\'t think it\'s garbage, but i also don\'t think that scouts, coaches, etc. should get all worked up about a player who makes a 7800 on the wonderlic.... i also feel this way about the 40, bench press, leg press, etc (any of those combine events)... the numbers can be misleading and always leave out the amount of heart a player has...

LKelley67 · 02-12-2005, 03:28 PM

i\'ve read it is becoming less n less of a factor cuz of players being tutored for it

no_cloning · 02-12-2005, 03:47 PM

The only thing the Wonderlic can be used for is to maybe expose someone\'s lazyness. If you invest a few hours into preparing for the test, there\'s no way you should score in the teens (unless you are dumb as a brick).
So a 14 or 15 would definitely be a red flag, while it doesn\'t matter if someone scores 22 or 35.
(And I feel like I posted the exact same thing one year ago)

WhoDat · 02-12-2005, 03:52 PM

Author: Wonderlic, Charles

Purpose: Designed to be used by businesses and schools to measure general cognitive ability in order to determine \"how easily individuals can be trained, how well they can adjust and solve problems on the job, and how well satisfied they are likely to be with the demands of the job.\"

http://buros.unl.edu/buros/jsp/revie...?item=06002730

Hhhmm... So I guess you\'re right. I guess AB\'s low score would explain why he \"cannot be trained\" (he has not progressed as expected), can\'t read defenses (\"solve problems on the job\"), and why he keep s calling himself great (\"how well satisfied they are likely to be with the demands of the job\"). LOL

WhoDat · 02-12-2005, 03:57 PM

Cognition -
1. The mental process of knowing, including aspects such as awareness, perception, reasoning, and judgment.

2. That which comes to be known, as through perception, reasoning, or intuition; knowledge.

So it doesn\'t test \"intelligence,\" it tests the \"mental process[es]\" of reasoning and judgment. Hhmm... seems right on to me.

If your argument is that a QB doesn\'t have to be a genius to be good, then you have SOME imperical evidence by citing QBs like Marino. If your argument is that the Wonderlic is worthless, you must have an \"ag--a.\" I think saying AB has a less than average \"mental process of reasoning\" and is not \"easily trained\" is exactly right.

jbutts · 02-12-2005, 10:21 PM

\"Author: Wonderlic, Charles

Purpose: Designed to be used by businesses and schools to measure general cognitive ability in order to determine \"how easily individuals can be trained, how well they can adjust and solve problems on the job, and how well satisfied they are likely to be with the demands of the job.\" \"

Would this point to an origin of the Eagles inability to \"hurry-up\"
his offense in our most recent super bowl?
Does this also point to a possibility of Marino\'s inability to win the big one?
Of course There is an A in Marino and an A and a B in Mcnabb, do with that what you will, moonshine, sunshine or otherwise.

Regardless of anything else, ive got to agree with Whodat\'s analysis of AB.

Im for a change with AB strictly because I am young and will live to see the saints possible recovery if we end up on the worse end of the deal. I would rather change now and take my chances than stick with what we have. Im not scared of change with the risk of failure. I\'m sure we could always call Mr. Leaf for Co-starring role.

also,
O\'Sullivan, J.T.
2002
Calif.-Davis
35

Whats done is done, im just saying....

[Edited on 13/2/2005 by jbutts]

ScottyRo · 02-12-2005, 10:42 PM

Well, WhoDat, since your going to label me as having an ag--a, I might as well say it again and let you tell me what my ag--a is.

This test means nothing. Just because you can show that AB is failing areas in which the test\'s originator claims that it measures doesn\'t account for those that failed as well but are able to perform their tasks at QB and excel in the areas this very test describes them as being poor.

It\'s not just Marino. It\'s McNabb and Culpepper, too (just in this post). I believe those are two QBs you\'d like to have on your team, right?

Thus, the test fails as a measuring tool for the NFL in the specific areas you posted because it seems to miss as often as it is correct.

02-12-2005, 03:23 PM	#11
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	wonderlic i don\'t think it\'s garbage, but i also don\'t think that scouts, coaches, etc. should get all worked up about a player who makes a 7800 on the wonderlic.... i also feel this way about the 40, bench press, leg press, etc (any of those combine events)... the numbers can be misleading and always leave out the amount of heart a player has...

02-12-2005, 03:28 PM	#12
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	wonderlic i\'ve read it is becoming less n less of a factor cuz of players being tutored for it

02-12-2005, 03:47 PM	#13
no_cloning 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 249	wonderlic The only thing the Wonderlic can be used for is to maybe expose someone\'s lazyness. If you invest a few hours into preparing for the test, there\'s no way you should score in the teens (unless you are dumb as a brick). So a 14 or 15 would definitely be a red flag, while it doesn\'t matter if someone scores 22 or 35. (And I feel like I posted the exact same thing one year ago)
no_cloning 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 249

02-12-2005, 03:52 PM	#14
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	wonderlic Author: Wonderlic, Charles Purpose: Designed to be used by businesses and schools to measure general cognitive ability in order to determine \"how easily individuals can be trained, how well they can adjust and solve problems on the job, and how well satisfied they are likely to be with the demands of the job.\" http://buros.unl.edu/buros/jsp/revie...?item=06002730 Hhhmm... So I guess you\'re right. I guess AB\'s low score would explain why he \"cannot be trained\" (he has not progressed as expected), can\'t read defenses (\"solve problems on the job\"), and why he keep s calling himself great (\"how well satisfied they are likely to be with the demands of the job\"). LOL
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

02-12-2005, 03:57 PM	#15
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	wonderlic Cognition - 1. The mental process of knowing, including aspects such as awareness, perception, reasoning, and judgment. 2. That which comes to be known, as through perception, reasoning, or intuition; knowledge. So it doesn\'t test \"intelligence,\" it tests the \"mental process[es]\" of reasoning and judgment. Hhmm... seems right on to me. If your argument is that a QB doesn\'t have to be a genius to be good, then you have SOME imperical evidence by citing QBs like Marino. If your argument is that the Wonderlic is worthless, you must have an \"ag--a.\" I think saying AB has a less than average \"mental process of reasoning\" and is not \"easily trained\" is exactly right.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

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02-12-2005, 10:21 PM	#16
jbutts Registered Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 96	wonderlic \"Author: Wonderlic, Charles Purpose: Designed to be used by businesses and schools to measure general cognitive ability in order to determine \"how easily individuals can be trained, how well they can adjust and solve problems on the job, and how well satisfied they are likely to be with the demands of the job.\" \" Would this point to an origin of the Eagles inability to \"hurry-up\" his offense in our most recent super bowl? Does this also point to a possibility of Marino\'s inability to win the big one? Of course There is an A in Marino and an A and a B in Mcnabb, do with that what you will, moonshine, sunshine or otherwise. Regardless of anything else, ive got to agree with Whodat\'s analysis of AB. Im for a change with AB strictly because I am young and will live to see the saints possible recovery if we end up on the worse end of the deal. I would rather change now and take my chances than stick with what we have. Im not scared of change with the risk of failure. I\'m sure we could always call Mr. Leaf for Co-starring role. also, O\'Sullivan, J.T. 2002 Calif.-Davis 35 Whats done is done, im just saying.... [Edited on 13/2/2005 by jbutts]

02-12-2005, 10:42 PM	#17
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	wonderlic Well, WhoDat, since your going to label me as having an ag--a, I might as well say it again and let you tell me what my ag--a is. This test means nothing. Just because you can show that AB is failing areas in which the test\'s originator claims that it measures doesn\'t account for those that failed as well but are able to perform their tasks at QB and excel in the areas this very test describes them as being poor. It\'s not just Marino. It\'s McNabb and Culpepper, too (just in this post). I believe those are two QBs you\'d like to have on your team, right? Thus, the test fails as a measuring tool for the NFL in the specific areas you posted because it seems to miss as often as it is correct.