Joe Horn tells it like it is!

spkb25 · 02-11-2005, 11:48 PM

good post whodat. gumbo has his interest. so he post what he can to support that.

alsaints113 · 02-12-2005, 12:10 AM

Isn\'t that what everybody on this forum does?

Saint_LB · 02-12-2005, 07:44 AM

Unfortunately, personality wise, Horn is right there with TO and Moss. IMHO, Moss is a better receiver...a touch faster, maybe a tad taller, pretty close in the hands department. TO and Horn, I\'m not sure who is the more talented, it\'s close, very close. but TO would probably get the edge because of the age factor.

I don\'t think Horn should get any more slack than AB gets when it comes to the ego thing....but he does leave it all on the field. You gotta love that part.

I think that in the long run he will probably regret the statement about the fans.

And finally, I find his comment about comraderie interesting. Is he trying to tell us something? If he feels that it is so important, then how does he feel about his starting QB saying that he is great, and the rest of the team average? Just wondering out loud.

Cassady37 · 02-12-2005, 09:12 AM

Here we go again....say what you want, I, as a fan, have the RIGHT to find faults with this team if the performance level is not up to par. Why, you ask. Well, let me just tell you why! I would say that the normal die-hard fan has more money invested in this team than any player that has ever played for the Saints. What happens if the team sucks, does Brooks lose any money? Does Horn? Does Deuce? No, they still draw a paycheck that is paid by fans, like myself, who over the course of 30 years have bought t-shirts, tickets, hats, license plates, glasses, cups, posters, blankets, jewelry, watches, books, jerseys and trading cards of just about every popular player the Saints have had at the time. I don\'t have the time but I can positively say that\'s probably more than any PLAYER has ever spent on the team. And yes, I am an emotinal wreck when we miss the playoffs year after year. Because when all is said and done I\'m back again next year for more of whatever the Saints have to offer. How many players have been with the Saints for 30 years, that\'s right-0. They move on to the next team of choice that is going to pay them a huge amount of money while I\'m still here spending money to watch this fiasco year after year. So, do I have the RIGHT to be disgruntled? Hell yes I have a right and don\'t try to tell me different. I like Horn as a player but by God don\'t you dare tell me you don\'t like the way fans support this team. When Horn has a bad game, his ego takes a shot, but the fans have a lifetime investment of pain and suffering and ridicule from other fans they have to live with year after miserable year, but unlike Horn and a multitude of other players, we will always be Saint\'s fans, will they always be Saint\'s players?

GumboBC · 02-12-2005, 09:37 AM

WhoDat --

You always applaud Decue because he carries himself like a professional football player. You say he never criticizes the fans or calls himself great.

And you tell me that Brooks has proven himself to be an idiot when he criticizes the fans. And that shows how selfish he is.

But, when Joe Horn goes way above what Brooks has EVER said, (say\'s the fans need to stop whinning and complaining or the team needs to move where the fans support them) you\'re fine with that.

Seeing how you\'re one of the harshest critics of this team, I\'d think you\'d be as mad as hell.

But, strangely enough, I agree with you. I\'m not really worried about what any player on this team says. I understand they are just as frustrated as we are. I know they\'re trying to win and just haven\'t gotten it done.

I don\'t need them to be ranked in the top 5 at certain positions to understand how they feel.

I\'m not really worried about \"stats\".

Danno · 02-12-2005, 09:38 AM

Did he actually say those things?
Unbelievable. Just when I was starting to like Joe again.
What a POS thing to say. It trumps every insulting inciteful comment by Brooks, Haz, Benson, etc.
I\'m extremely disappointed in Joe now. He just slapped us in the face. How many of you are gonna bend over and grab your ankles for Joe?

OK, I\'ll say it.

He is an idiot.

WhoDat · 02-12-2005, 10:14 AM

I\'ve never claimed that Joe Horn is a good guy. Never. I\'ve claimed that he is a great football player - certainly the best we\'ve ever had at his position.

I think it\'s great that Deuce does so much humanitarian work, and it\'s what I would do in his position. However, I don\'t watch the games and support the team b/c they\'re nice guys. There are about 2 nice guys left on every NFL team in the league.

I support football players and a football team. As such, I will back the players who I feel make the most (positive) impact on the team in terms of success. Unlike Moss, who comes with a price tag of one horrid meltdown for every TD he scores, Joe Horn is an uplifting element on the team. He\'s a leader with a lot of heart who shows up every week.

You\'ll notice that Horn\'s comments, aside from the one about the fans, were all true - or at least, a no BS version of what he felt contributed to the season. The fans comment was stupid, but notice that he never blamed his teammates. In fact, if anything he called on them to remember the season in their off-season conditioning, mini-camps, preseason, etc. He\'s calling on them to play with a chip on their shoulders and get better. Yeah, what a cancer for this team.

Now, Billy will use this sometime in the future, I\'m sure. And he probably doesn\'t see the difference now and won\'t remember it then, but I\'ll lay it out clear as day so everyone else knows.

How is it OK for Horn to call himself great and insult the fans, but not OK for AB to do so? In my opinion, from what I have witnessed in following this team closely over the last 5 years, the answer is simple: ATTITUDE. Sure, Joe Horn ain\'t a Saint (ha ha), but he plays with heart, desire, and a true do what it takes to win attitude. He may say I\'m the best, but then he steps on the field and does whatever it takes to prove that comment to be not that far from the truth.

Brooks, on the other hand, seems to believe that he truly is great, and therefore things should just come to him easily. Defenses should lay down at the feet of the great and powerful Brooks. He doesn\'t backup those comments. He doesn\'t defy the odds (like an aging WR who just keeps going to the Pro Bowl). He doesn\'t lead the team, support his teammates (in fact, he throws them under the bus). Brooks is selfish, in that it doesn\'t matter b/c he\'s getting paid. Horn is self-centered, in that he wants to win. IMO, it doesn\'t matter if the guy wants to win for me or win for himself - just so long as he is willing to do what it takes to get better every day and turn that into success on the field.

saintswhodi · 02-12-2005, 10:14 AM

Danno, I knew it was coming.

But this is what I find MOST disturbing about anyone\'s post:

Unfortunately, sometimes those sold out crowds show up to boo the Saints (see Aaron Brooks...) because of a few dumb mistakes. I would rather be a Saints fan and have dumb mistakes cost us the playoffs then have them cost us the NFC championships or Super Bowl.

alsinits, WTF? Basically what you are saying is you\'d rather not make the playoffs or the NFC Champ game or the Superbowl cause dumb mistakes may cost us? Huh? What the hell are we playing for then? The regular season? This is by far the most confusing statement I have read on here. If a dumb mistake costs us the SUPERBOWL, at least we were in the SUPERBOWL. Holy crap. I don\'t think there are any words to describe my level of disappointemnt with this statement. So because of your blind support of Brooks, you will excuse all his mistakes that possibly cost us the PLAYOFFS because they weren\'t in the NFC Champ game or the SUPERBOWL? THAT is UNREAL.

GumboBC · 02-12-2005, 10:59 AM

WhoDat --

It doesn\'t surprise me that you\'re taking up for Joe Horn. It just further strengthens my believe that you hold a grudge against Brooks.

I\'ve never heard you say ONE time that if Brooks would back it up on the field that you\'d be okay with him calling himself great. NEVER!!

And I\'ve never heard you say ONE time that you\'d okay with Brooks criticizing the fans if he would back it up on the field.

It wasn\'t unitl one of your favortie players (Joe Horn!) came out and said something worse than Brooks that you\'ve changed your stance.

What\'s that you call me? Flippidy Flop? Back at cha...

At least we\'ve got some folks on this board who criticize Brooks and do the samething with Horn. I applaud you guys. At least y\'all stand for something and you stick with it!!

alsaints113 · 02-12-2005, 01:20 PM

To saintswhodi:

\"So because of your blind support of Brooks, you will excuse all his mistakes that possibly cost us the PLAYOFFS because they weren\'t in the NFC Champ game or the SUPERBOWL\"

Hey Miss Cleao, tell me where I ever said that I supported Aaron Brooks in this thread. I\'m just curious since all I did was mention how so many fans boo him at home games. This is almost as classless as the Philly fans booing of Michael Irvin when he went down there...oh wait the Saints fans did that with Wade Wilson too (and no I am not comparing the two, so go back to watching Bil O\'Reilly SPINSTERS)

\"Basically what you are saying is you\'d rather not make the playoffs or the NFC Champ game or the Superbowl cause dumb mistakes may cost us\"

Well Mr. O\'Reilly I did not say that at all. Hooked on Phonics can work for you too. The point I was making (an opinion so go read your Bill of Rights) was that it is much less disappointing (though still is of course) in MY EYES to not even make the playoffs then get there and lose every year and then get to the SuperBowl and have my QB play....well...like Aaron Brooks. I have been an Atlanta Braves fan for a long time and I know what I\'m talking about....I have no interest in them because they blow it every freaking year...I think they suck. I used to have interest in them the first 6 times they blew it but after 6 more...I could give a toot about them. I would probably feel the same way if I were an Eagles or Colts fan.

To GumboBC:

\"And you tell me that Brooks has proven himself to be an idiot when he criticizes the fans. And that shows how selfish he is.

But, when Joe Horn goes way above what Brooks has EVER said, (say\'s the fans need to stop whinning and complaining or the team needs to move where the fans support them) you\'re fine with that.\"

I agree 100% with WhoDats opinion....the difference between these two cases is that what Joe Horn said is TRUE (EVERYTHING) so it is easy to agree with him and not Brooks who is a total douschebag.

Bring the haters!!

02-11-2005, 11:48 PM	#11
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Joe Horn tells it like it is! good post whodat. gumbo has his interest. so he post what he can to support that.

02-12-2005, 12:10 AM	#12
alsaints113 Registered Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 95	Joe Horn tells it like it is! Isn\'t that what everybody on this forum does?
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02-12-2005, 07:44 AM	#13
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Joe Horn tells it like it is! Unfortunately, personality wise, Horn is right there with TO and Moss. IMHO, Moss is a better receiver...a touch faster, maybe a tad taller, pretty close in the hands department. TO and Horn, I\'m not sure who is the more talented, it\'s close, very close. but TO would probably get the edge because of the age factor. I don\'t think Horn should get any more slack than AB gets when it comes to the ego thing....but he does leave it all on the field. You gotta love that part. I think that in the long run he will probably regret the statement about the fans. And finally, I find his comment about comraderie interesting. Is he trying to tell us something? If he feels that it is so important, then how does he feel about his starting QB saying that he is great, and the rest of the team average? Just wondering out loud.
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Whether you think you can or think you can't...you're right!

02-12-2005, 09:12 AM	#14
Cassady37 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kilgore, Texas Posts: 337	Joe Horn tells it like it is! Here we go again....say what you want, I, as a fan, have the RIGHT to find faults with this team if the performance level is not up to par. Why, you ask. Well, let me just tell you why! I would say that the normal die-hard fan has more money invested in this team than any player that has ever played for the Saints. What happens if the team sucks, does Brooks lose any money? Does Horn? Does Deuce? No, they still draw a paycheck that is paid by fans, like myself, who over the course of 30 years have bought t-shirts, tickets, hats, license plates, glasses, cups, posters, blankets, jewelry, watches, books, jerseys and trading cards of just about every popular player the Saints have had at the time. I don\'t have the time but I can positively say that\'s probably more than any PLAYER has ever spent on the team. And yes, I am an emotinal wreck when we miss the playoffs year after year. Because when all is said and done I\'m back again next year for more of whatever the Saints have to offer. How many players have been with the Saints for 30 years, that\'s right-0. They move on to the next team of choice that is going to pay them a huge amount of money while I\'m still here spending money to watch this fiasco year after year. So, do I have the RIGHT to be disgruntled? Hell yes I have a right and don\'t try to tell me different. I like Horn as a player but by God don\'t you dare tell me you don\'t like the way fans support this team. When Horn has a bad game, his ego takes a shot, but the fans have a lifetime investment of pain and suffering and ridicule from other fans they have to live with year after miserable year, but unlike Horn and a multitude of other players, we will always be Saint\'s fans, will they always be Saint\'s players?

02-12-2005, 09:37 AM	#15
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Joe Horn tells it like it is! WhoDat -- You always applaud Decue because he carries himself like a professional football player. You say he never criticizes the fans or calls himself great. And you tell me that Brooks has proven himself to be an idiot when he criticizes the fans. And that shows how selfish he is. But, when Joe Horn goes way above what Brooks has EVER said, (say\'s the fans need to stop whinning and complaining or the team needs to move where the fans support them) you\'re fine with that. Seeing how you\'re one of the harshest critics of this team, I\'d think you\'d be as mad as hell. But, strangely enough, I agree with you. I\'m not really worried about what any player on this team says. I understand they are just as frustrated as we are. I know they\'re trying to win and just haven\'t gotten it done. I don\'t need them to be ranked in the top 5 at certain positions to understand how they feel. I\'m not really worried about \"stats\".
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02-12-2005, 09:38 AM	#16
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Joe Horn tells it like it is! Did he actually say those things? Unbelievable. Just when I was starting to like Joe again. What a POS thing to say. It trumps every insulting inciteful comment by Brooks, Haz, Benson, etc. I\'m extremely disappointed in Joe now. He just slapped us in the face. How many of you are gonna bend over and grab your ankles for Joe? OK, I\'ll say it. He is an idiot.

02-12-2005, 10:14 AM	#17
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Joe Horn tells it like it is! I\'ve never claimed that Joe Horn is a good guy. Never. I\'ve claimed that he is a great football player - certainly the best we\'ve ever had at his position. I think it\'s great that Deuce does so much humanitarian work, and it\'s what I would do in his position. However, I don\'t watch the games and support the team b/c they\'re nice guys. There are about 2 nice guys left on every NFL team in the league. I support football players and a football team. As such, I will back the players who I feel make the most (positive) impact on the team in terms of success. Unlike Moss, who comes with a price tag of one horrid meltdown for every TD he scores, Joe Horn is an uplifting element on the team. He\'s a leader with a lot of heart who shows up every week. You\'ll notice that Horn\'s comments, aside from the one about the fans, were all true - or at least, a no BS version of what he felt contributed to the season. The fans comment was stupid, but notice that he never blamed his teammates. In fact, if anything he called on them to remember the season in their off-season conditioning, mini-camps, preseason, etc. He\'s calling on them to play with a chip on their shoulders and get better. Yeah, what a cancer for this team. Now, Billy will use this sometime in the future, I\'m sure. And he probably doesn\'t see the difference now and won\'t remember it then, but I\'ll lay it out clear as day so everyone else knows. How is it OK for Horn to call himself great and insult the fans, but not OK for AB to do so? In my opinion, from what I have witnessed in following this team closely over the last 5 years, the answer is simple: ATTITUDE. Sure, Joe Horn ain\'t a Saint (ha ha), but he plays with heart, desire, and a true do what it takes to win attitude. He may say I\'m the best, but then he steps on the field and does whatever it takes to prove that comment to be not that far from the truth. Brooks, on the other hand, seems to believe that he truly is great, and therefore things should just come to him easily. Defenses should lay down at the feet of the great and powerful Brooks. He doesn\'t backup those comments. He doesn\'t defy the odds (like an aging WR who just keeps going to the Pro Bowl). He doesn\'t lead the team, support his teammates (in fact, he throws them under the bus). Brooks is selfish, in that it doesn\'t matter b/c he\'s getting paid. Horn is self-centered, in that he wants to win. IMO, it doesn\'t matter if the guy wants to win for me or win for himself - just so long as he is willing to do what it takes to get better every day and turn that into success on the field.
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02-12-2005, 10:14 AM	#18
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Joe Horn tells it like it is! Danno, I knew it was coming. But this is what I find MOST disturbing about anyone\'s post: Unfortunately, sometimes those sold out crowds show up to boo the Saints (see Aaron Brooks...) because of a few dumb mistakes. I would rather be a Saints fan and have dumb mistakes cost us the playoffs then have them cost us the NFC championships or Super Bowl. alsinits, WTF? Basically what you are saying is you\'d rather not make the playoffs or the NFC Champ game or the Superbowl cause dumb mistakes may cost us? Huh? What the hell are we playing for then? The regular season? This is by far the most confusing statement I have read on here. If a dumb mistake costs us the SUPERBOWL, at least we were in the SUPERBOWL. Holy crap. I don\'t think there are any words to describe my level of disappointemnt with this statement. So because of your blind support of Brooks, you will excuse all his mistakes that possibly cost us the PLAYOFFS because they weren\'t in the NFC Champ game or the SUPERBOWL? THAT is UNREAL.

02-12-2005, 10:59 AM	#19
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Joe Horn tells it like it is! WhoDat -- It doesn\'t surprise me that you\'re taking up for Joe Horn. It just further strengthens my believe that you hold a grudge against Brooks. I\'ve never heard you say ONE time that if Brooks would back it up on the field that you\'d be okay with him calling himself great. NEVER!! And I\'ve never heard you say ONE time that you\'d okay with Brooks criticizing the fans if he would back it up on the field. It wasn\'t unitl one of your favortie players (Joe Horn!) came out and said something worse than Brooks that you\'ve changed your stance. What\'s that you call me? Flippidy Flop? Back at cha... At least we\'ve got some folks on this board who criticize Brooks and do the samething with Horn. I applaud you guys. At least y\'all stand for something and you stick with it!!
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02-12-2005, 01:20 PM	#20
alsaints113 Registered Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 95	Joe Horn tells it like it is! To saintswhodi: \"So because of your blind support of Brooks, you will excuse all his mistakes that possibly cost us the PLAYOFFS because they weren\'t in the NFC Champ game or the SUPERBOWL\" Hey Miss Cleao, tell me where I ever said that I supported Aaron Brooks in this thread. I\'m just curious since all I did was mention how so many fans boo him at home games. This is almost as classless as the Philly fans booing of Michael Irvin when he went down there...oh wait the Saints fans did that with Wade Wilson too (and no I am not comparing the two, so go back to watching Bil O\'Reilly SPINSTERS) \"Basically what you are saying is you\'d rather not make the playoffs or the NFC Champ game or the Superbowl cause dumb mistakes may cost us\" Well Mr. O\'Reilly I did not say that at all. Hooked on Phonics can work for you too. The point I was making (an opinion so go read your Bill of Rights) was that it is much less disappointing (though still is of course) in MY EYES to not even make the playoffs then get there and lose every year and then get to the SuperBowl and have my QB play....well...like Aaron Brooks. I have been an Atlanta Braves fan for a long time and I know what I\'m talking about....I have no interest in them because they blow it every freaking year...I think they suck. I used to have interest in them the first 6 times they blew it but after 6 more...I could give a toot about them. I would probably feel the same way if I were an Eagles or Colts fan. To GumboBC: \"And you tell me that Brooks has proven himself to be an idiot when he criticizes the fans. And that shows how selfish he is. But, when Joe Horn goes way above what Brooks has EVER said, (say\'s the fans need to stop whinning and complaining or the team needs to move where the fans support them) you\'re fine with that.\" I agree 100% with WhoDats opinion....the difference between these two cases is that what Joe Horn said is TRUE (EVERYTHING) so it is easy to agree with him and not Brooks who is a total douschebag. Bring the haters!!
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