Joe Horn tells it like it is!

GumboBC · 02-12-2005, 04:28 PM

WhoDat --

So, basically what you\'re saying is it\'s okay for Joe Horn to say whatever the hell he wants because he produces on the field? Correct?

Joe Horn tells the fans they need to shutup and stop all the whinning and complaining or the Saints to need move to another city ... And, you\'re okay with that?

Then why have you told me for the last 2-years that the fans have the right to complain because we pay money to see this team.

Do you agree with Joe? If so, then you need to stop all this damn complaining. Shutup already...LMAO!! :P

And here this whole time I thought you wanted players to carry themselves as professionals..

WhoDat · 02-12-2005, 04:37 PM

I\'m not surprised that you don\'t understand. It is a duality - tough concept. You understand that not caring what a player says so long as he produces and reserving the right to voice disapproval of the team are mutually exclusive, right?

Generally, I think players need to shut up and play - Joe Horn included. It upsets me that Horn would suggest that the Saints should move - but he doesn\'t really have any say in that, so why worry? Likewise, his comments don\'t seem to effect his play or the team. So what? I like the guy b/c he goes to the Pro Bowl over and over.

Just b/c I think a player can say whatever he wants to doesn\'t mean I agree with him. I know that\'s hard to undersatand for a guy who believes everything AB says, but it\'s really not a new concept (see history of Democracy or US history for examples).

Tobias-Reiper · 02-12-2005, 04:38 PM

... someone should remind Mr Horn of what he is... an ENTERTAINER... and avery well paid entertainer for that matter... just like an actor in the movies, or a clown in the circus...

...the one line that really cracks me up s: \"if the New Orleans fans keep begging and crying about us winning\"...

..and then you wonder why this team is the way it is...

,,

GumboBC · 02-12-2005, 04:49 PM

I\'m not surprised that you don\'t understand. It is a duality - tough concept. You understand that not caring what a player says so long as he produces and reserving the right to voice disapproval of the team are mutually exclusive, right?

Generally, I think players need to shut up and play - Joe Horn included. It upsets me that Horn would suggest that the Saints should move - but he doesn\'t really have any say in that, so why worry? Likewise, his comments don\'t seem to effect his play or the team. So what? I like the guy b/c he goes to the Pro Bowl over and over.

Just b/c I think a player can say whatever he wants to doesn\'t mean I agree with him. I know that\'s hard to undersatand for a guy who believes everything AB says, but it\'s really not a new concept (see history of Democracy or US history for examples).

WhoDat --

From reading your post over the past couple of years, integrity and professionalism have always seemed important to you.

You always talk about how you wouldn\'t have a guy on your team like a Randy Moss or Terrell Owens. You always say you like \"character\" guys.

It confuses me that you wouldn\'t have a Terrell Owens or Randy Moss on your team, but you\'re willing to give Joe Horn a free pass because he\'s a great receiver.

Hold on Hoss!!

Aren\'t Randy Moss and Terrell Owens better than Joe Horn?

Let\'s get to the bottom of your real motives... okay?

[Edited on 12/2/2005 by GumboBC]

saintswhodi · 02-12-2005, 09:08 PM

I have no interest in them because they blow it every freaking year

So when you say you have no interest in them that means you still support them? Huh? And i\'m spinning? Explain to me how that works. If I have no interest in something, that means I don\'t care. So in your attempt to explain this off as spin, you say you are still a fan but think they suck? Again, huh? So noone can feel like this about the Saints? I haven\'t heard anyone on here say they suck, but they can\'t be down on them? Judge much? I see you left some room on the Braves bandwagon if they win the world series this year by calling yourself a fan, yet you have no interest in them. :rollinglaugh: No spin necessary on that.

Glad you caught the spell check. Generally when you attempt to insult someone you shouldn\'t mispell the words you are attempting to be insulting with. Also, doesn\'t Ms. Cleo predict things? I don\'t recall predicting anything, just laughing at a ridiculous statement. So not only was it mispelled, it didn\'t even apply. Like I said, I DEFINITELY hope you stick around.

So if me saying I was disappointed in your statement hurt your feelings, I am not gonna apologize for that. Don\'t make ridiculous statements and trust me it won\'t happen again. I see you glossed over any reply to that silliniess. Maybe you wanna delete it too. Did I spin that one too? LEt me make sure I got it right.

Well Mr. O\'Reilly I did not say that at all. Hooked on Phonics can work for you too. The point I was making (an opinion so go read your Bill of Rights) was that it is much less disappointing (though still is of course) in MY EYES to not even make the playoffs then get there and lose every year and then get to the SuperBowl and have my QB play....well...like Aaron Brooks.

So again cause AB is our QB, you would rather we not make the playoffs or Superbowl? And you call yourself a sunshiner? Good luck finding someone to agree with that rubbish. I would MUCH rather us make a Superbowl if Billy Joe was still our QB. But we can see what kinda fan you are with your fairweather Braves approach. Oh that\'s right, you are a fan, but have \"no interest in them.\"

xrotflmao:

ScottyRo · 02-12-2005, 10:31 PM

Is it really that wrong to believe that a player who makes the probowl as often as Horn deserves a little more latitude than someone who has gone only once? Joe made some comments I wish he hadn\'t have made, but I can let it slide as long as it\'s an isolated incident.

By let it slide I mean to say that I wish he\'d just shut up and play, but I\'m not gonna go looking for statistical reasons to suggest he isn\'t one of our best football players.

There is a YAC thread going now in which Horn is ridiculed by some for having the lowest in the league. Let me ask those ridiculars this: Would you rather have a WR with the most catches in the league and the lowest YAC or the WR with the most YAC and the fewest catches (of all starters)?

JOESAM2002 · 02-13-2005, 08:18 AM

If a couple of you are going to act like third graders, I\'m going to act like a teacher and lock this thread! Chill out!!!

02-12-2005, 04:28 PM	#31
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Joe Horn tells it like it is! WhoDat -- So, basically what you\'re saying is it\'s okay for Joe Horn to say whatever the hell he wants because he produces on the field? Correct? Joe Horn tells the fans they need to shutup and stop all the whinning and complaining or the Saints to need move to another city ... And, you\'re okay with that? Then why have you told me for the last 2-years that the fans have the right to complain because we pay money to see this team. Do you agree with Joe? If so, then you need to stop all this damn complaining. Shutup already...LMAO!! :P And here this whole time I thought you wanted players to carry themselves as professionals..
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616

02-12-2005, 04:37 PM	#32
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Joe Horn tells it like it is! I\'m not surprised that you don\'t understand. It is a duality - tough concept. You understand that not caring what a player says so long as he produces and reserving the right to voice disapproval of the team are mutually exclusive, right? Generally, I think players need to shut up and play - Joe Horn included. It upsets me that Horn would suggest that the Saints should move - but he doesn\'t really have any say in that, so why worry? Likewise, his comments don\'t seem to effect his play or the team. So what? I like the guy b/c he goes to the Pro Bowl over and over. Just b/c I think a player can say whatever he wants to doesn\'t mean I agree with him. I know that\'s hard to undersatand for a guy who believes everything AB says, but it\'s really not a new concept (see history of Democracy or US history for examples).
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

02-12-2005, 04:38 PM	#33
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Joe Horn tells it like it is! ... someone should remind Mr Horn of what he is... an ENTERTAINER... and avery well paid entertainer for that matter... just like an actor in the movies, or a clown in the circus... ...the one line that really cracks me up s: \"if the New Orleans fans keep begging and crying about us winning\"... ..and then you wonder why this team is the way it is... ,,

02-12-2005, 04:49 PM	#34
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Joe Horn tells it like it is! I\'m not surprised that you don\'t understand. It is a duality - tough concept. You understand that not caring what a player says so long as he produces and reserving the right to voice disapproval of the team are mutually exclusive, right? Generally, I think players need to shut up and play - Joe Horn included. It upsets me that Horn would suggest that the Saints should move - but he doesn\'t really have any say in that, so why worry? Likewise, his comments don\'t seem to effect his play or the team. So what? I like the guy b/c he goes to the Pro Bowl over and over. Just b/c I think a player can say whatever he wants to doesn\'t mean I agree with him. I know that\'s hard to undersatand for a guy who believes everything AB says, but it\'s really not a new concept (see history of Democracy or US history for examples). WhoDat -- From reading your post over the past couple of years, integrity and professionalism have always seemed important to you. You always talk about how you wouldn\'t have a guy on your team like a Randy Moss or Terrell Owens. You always say you like \"character\" guys. It confuses me that you wouldn\'t have a Terrell Owens or Randy Moss on your team, but you\'re willing to give Joe Horn a free pass because he\'s a great receiver. Hold on Hoss!! Aren\'t Randy Moss and Terrell Owens better than Joe Horn? Let\'s get to the bottom of your real motives... okay? [Edited on 12/2/2005 by GumboBC]
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616

02-12-2005, 09:08 PM	#35
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Joe Horn tells it like it is! I have no interest in them because they blow it every freaking year So when you say you have no interest in them that means you still support them? Huh? And i\'m spinning? Explain to me how that works. If I have no interest in something, that means I don\'t care. So in your attempt to explain this off as spin, you say you are still a fan but think they suck? Again, huh? So noone can feel like this about the Saints? I haven\'t heard anyone on here say they suck, but they can\'t be down on them? Judge much? I see you left some room on the Braves bandwagon if they win the world series this year by calling yourself a fan, yet you have no interest in them. :rollinglaugh: No spin necessary on that. Glad you caught the spell check. Generally when you attempt to insult someone you shouldn\'t mispell the words you are attempting to be insulting with. Also, doesn\'t Ms. Cleo predict things? I don\'t recall predicting anything, just laughing at a ridiculous statement. So not only was it mispelled, it didn\'t even apply. Like I said, I DEFINITELY hope you stick around. So if me saying I was disappointed in your statement hurt your feelings, I am not gonna apologize for that. Don\'t make ridiculous statements and trust me it won\'t happen again. I see you glossed over any reply to that silliniess. Maybe you wanna delete it too. Did I spin that one too? LEt me make sure I got it right. Well Mr. O\'Reilly I did not say that at all. Hooked on Phonics can work for you too. The point I was making (an opinion so go read your Bill of Rights) was that it is much less disappointing (though still is of course) in MY EYES to not even make the playoffs then get there and lose every year and then get to the SuperBowl and have my QB play....well...like Aaron Brooks. So again cause AB is our QB, you would rather we not make the playoffs or Superbowl? And you call yourself a sunshiner? Good luck finding someone to agree with that rubbish. I would MUCH rather us make a Superbowl if Billy Joe was still our QB. But we can see what kinda fan you are with your fairweather Braves approach. Oh that\'s right, you are a fan, but have \"no interest in them.\" xrotflmao:

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02-12-2005, 10:31 PM	#36
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Joe Horn tells it like it is! Is it really that wrong to believe that a player who makes the probowl as often as Horn deserves a little more latitude than someone who has gone only once? Joe made some comments I wish he hadn\'t have made, but I can let it slide as long as it\'s an isolated incident. By let it slide I mean to say that I wish he\'d just shut up and play, but I\'m not gonna go looking for statistical reasons to suggest he isn\'t one of our best football players. There is a YAC thread going now in which Horn is ridiculed by some for having the lowest in the league. Let me ask those ridiculars this: Would you rather have a WR with the most catches in the league and the lowest YAC or the WR with the most YAC and the fewest catches (of all starters)?

02-13-2005, 08:18 AM	#37
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Joe Horn tells it like it is! If a couple of you are going to act like third graders, I\'m going to act like a teacher and lock this thread! Chill out!!!