NFL fines son of former Saints player Craig Heyward for tribute to his late father

ScottF · 10-19-2015, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I can't believe what some of you guys are saying. We bash the league for inconsistent "rules" on domestic violence and drugs, etc... We're all in agreement on those things. We hear the NFL talk about "protecting the shield". We crush them for turning the league into glorified flag football, with all the penalties.

Now a guy gets fined for trying to honor his dad, and you think it's justified, because those are the rules and that's it? Don't you have just a little bit of an issue with these rules? I sure as hell didn't vote for this circus of a government and all of the subsequent laws they have created, but others did. Should I just be ok with that, then?

The NFL does not set rules arbitrarily. The Players Association agrees to every rule as well.
Yes, it started with the 'Rozelle' headband, but what if it had said Long Live ISIS, or Praise bin Laden? Extreme, but the same thing. No personal messages.

jeanpierre · 10-19-2015, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

They take the brand seriously. They should. Break the rule pay the fine. Simple simple. How much is it worth?

So who collects the pound of flesh from Roger Goodell and Steve Bisciotti and Ozzie Newsome et al when they failed the "brand" or the "shield" their covering up and lying about knowledge of the Ray Rice B*tch Beatdown?!?

Danno · 10-19-2015, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

The NFL does not set rules arbitrarily. The Players Association agrees to every rule as well.
Yes, it started with the 'Rozelle' headband, but what if it had said Long Live ISIS, or Praise bin Laden? Extreme, but the same thing. No personal messages.

End of discussion.

Cruize · 10-19-2015, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

They didn't fine him for the tribute to his dad, they fined him because it's against the rules to write anything at all on your eyeblack

Simple as that. Don't like it. But, playing in the NFL is a privilege, not a right. All rules and conduct are negotiated. It is what it is.

QBREES9 · 10-19-2015, 09:34 PM

Lighten Up NFL. Shame on you.

Thirty3 · 10-19-2015, 10:56 PM

Guessing that the tribute was worth the fine. less than 6 grand? A lot on many salaries = not an NFL player's.

burningmetal · 10-20-2015, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by Crusader

So then a UPS driver or Mc Donalds clerk should be allowed to write whatever they want on their uniform or themselves while performing their job?

Do Mcdonalds employees drive the company? Are they the reason people go to Mcdonalds? One more question... Are NFL players part of the service industry? I think you know the answer to all three. This is a players league, and the game is not about image. Any notion that it is, is horse crap in my opinion

Of all the corruption that goes on behind the scenes, they get to fine people over what is said on their eye black? Seems a tad hypocritical.

burningmetal · 10-20-2015, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

The NFL does not set rules arbitrarily. The Players Association agrees to every rule as well.
Yes, it started with the 'Rozelle' headband, but what if it had said Long Live ISIS, or Praise bin Laden? Extreme, but the same thing. No personal messages.

Did you read my entire post before replying to it? Did I not bring up the players association? I know what the rules are and how they are set. The rules are idiotic, and that is the very point. Is that really difficult to understand?

The players association does not protect it's players from ignoramus rules, it only cares about money. Yet it fails in that category, because everyone is getting fined for stupid reasons.

I didn't ask you or anyone else in here IF or HOW the rules are what they are. It is pathetic that they would have a rule like this. And my first post in this thread was about what a joke the whole system is. When you stop and think of all the reasons the league is successful, it literally has nothing to do with league office and it's so called "brand".

When the players go on strike and use replacement players, how well does that brand stand up? You lose the talent you lose a great deal of fan interest. An employee at walmart needs his manager, because he can't provide the things the store needs. He doesn't have work without having something being provided his tasks. Players just need to play and get paid. The fans pay the tickets and the owners pay the players. What does the league do? The NFL does not provide it's "inventory", so to speak.

And by the way, the NFL does a lot of things arbitrarily. Just because they can, does not make it RIGHT. One more thing... While we're comparing the NFL to all other businesses, would walmart really fine someone if they had a tribute to someone who died on their face? Maybe they would do something if that person actually had something offensive written. Do you think maybe the NFL could use discretion instead of just fining any message at all? Players have the ability to talk, and say lots of dumb things. They don't get fined for saying anything about their dads, but they do if they criticize a ref or something. Should we tell them they can't talk now, in case someone says something offensive?

Crusader · 10-20-2015, 03:00 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Do Mcdonalds employees drive the company? Are they the reason people go to Mcdonalds? One more question... Are NFL players part of the service industry? I think you know the answer to all three. This is a players league, and the game is not about image. Any notion that it is, is horse crap in my opinion

Of all the corruption that goes on behind the scenes, they get to fine people over what is said on their eye black? Seems a tad hypocritical.

You would like to think that its a players leuage but that is very far from the truth. You have a few players with staying power but the average career is about 2 years. I'm not calling that a players leauge. People root for the teams more than the players.

Service industry, entertainment industry, doen't matter. I could make the comaprison to the military or police department or any other organization or company that has a uniform regulation. You know what you sign up for, follow the rules or face the consequences.

SloMotion · 10-20-2015, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by Crusader

So then a UPS driver or Mc Donalds clerk should be allowed to write whatever they want on their uniform or themselves while performing their job?

... just imagine the next time you get a package or order a Big Mac and the guy delivering the package or behind the counter is Rod Smart, former XFL player, and he has his old uniform placard across his back,

.

The XFL, now there was a league for personal expression,

.

10-19-2015, 06:20 PM	#21
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: NFL fines son of former Saints player Craig Heyward for tribute to his late father Originally Posted by burningmetal I can't believe what some of you guys are saying. We bash the league for inconsistent "rules" on domestic violence and drugs, etc... We're all in agreement on those things. We hear the NFL talk about "protecting the shield". We crush them for turning the league into glorified flag football, with all the penalties. Now a guy gets fined for trying to honor his dad, and you think it's justified, because those are the rules and that's it? Don't you have just a little bit of an issue with these rules? I sure as hell didn't vote for this circus of a government and all of the subsequent laws they have created, but others did. Should I just be ok with that, then? The NFL does not set rules arbitrarily. The Players Association agrees to every rule as well. Yes, it started with the 'Rozelle' headband, but what if it had said Long Live ISIS, or Praise bin Laden? Extreme, but the same thing. No personal messages.

10-19-2015, 06:31 PM	#22
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: NFL fines son of former Saints player Craig Heyward for tribute to his late father Originally Posted by saintfan They take the brand seriously. They should. Break the rule pay the fine. Simple simple. How much is it worth? So who collects the pound of flesh from Roger Goodell and Steve Bisciotti and Ozzie Newsome et al when they failed the "brand" or the "shield" their covering up and lying about knowledge of the Ray Rice B*tch Beatdown?!?

10-19-2015, 06:59 PM	#23
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: NFL fines son of former Saints player Craig Heyward for tribute to his late father Originally Posted by ScottF The NFL does not set rules arbitrarily. The Players Association agrees to every rule as well. Yes, it started with the 'Rozelle' headband, but what if it had said Long Live ISIS, or Praise bin Laden? Extreme, but the same thing. No personal messages. End of discussion.

10-19-2015, 07:24 PM	#24
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,457	Re: NFL fines son of former Saints player Craig Heyward for tribute to his late father Originally Posted by Danno They didn't fine him for the tribute to his dad, they fined him because it's against the rules to write anything at all on your eyeblack Simple as that. Don't like it. But, playing in the NFL is a privilege, not a right. All rules and conduct are negotiated. It is what it is. ScottF likes this.
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Thirty3 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,255	Re: NFL fines son of former Saints player Craig Heyward for tribute to his late father Guessing that the tribute was worth the fine. less than 6 grand? A lot on many salaries = not an NFL player's.
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10-20-2015, 12:47 AM	#27
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: NFL fines son of former Saints player Craig Heyward for tribute to his late father Originally Posted by Crusader So then a UPS driver or Mc Donalds clerk should be allowed to write whatever they want on their uniform or themselves while performing their job? Do Mcdonalds employees drive the company? Are they the reason people go to Mcdonalds? One more question... Are NFL players part of the service industry? I think you know the answer to all three. This is a players league, and the game is not about image. Any notion that it is, is horse crap in my opinion Of all the corruption that goes on behind the scenes, they get to fine people over what is said on their eye black? Seems a tad hypocritical.

10-20-2015, 01:04 AM	#28
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: NFL fines son of former Saints player Craig Heyward for tribute to his late father Originally Posted by ScottF The NFL does not set rules arbitrarily. The Players Association agrees to every rule as well. Yes, it started with the 'Rozelle' headband, but what if it had said Long Live ISIS, or Praise bin Laden? Extreme, but the same thing. No personal messages. Did you read my entire post before replying to it? Did I not bring up the players association? I know what the rules are and how they are set. The rules are idiotic, and that is the very point. Is that really difficult to understand? The players association does not protect it's players from ignoramus rules, it only cares about money. Yet it fails in that category, because everyone is getting fined for stupid reasons. I didn't ask you or anyone else in here IF or HOW the rules are what they are. It is pathetic that they would have a rule like this. And my first post in this thread was about what a joke the whole system is. When you stop and think of all the reasons the league is successful, it literally has nothing to do with league office and it's so called "brand". When the players go on strike and use replacement players, how well does that brand stand up? You lose the talent you lose a great deal of fan interest. An employee at walmart needs his manager, because he can't provide the things the store needs. He doesn't have work without having something being provided his tasks. Players just need to play and get paid. The fans pay the tickets and the owners pay the players. What does the league do? The NFL does not provide it's "inventory", so to speak. And by the way, the NFL does a lot of things arbitrarily. Just because they can, does not make it RIGHT. One more thing... While we're comparing the NFL to all other businesses, would walmart really fine someone if they had a tribute to someone who died on their face? Maybe they would do something if that person actually had something offensive written. Do you think maybe the NFL could use discretion instead of just fining any message at all? Players have the ability to talk, and say lots of dumb things. They don't get fined for saying anything about their dads, but they do if they criticize a ref or something. Should we tell them they can't talk now, in case someone says something offensive?
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

10-20-2015, 03:00 AM	#29
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: NFL fines son of former Saints player Craig Heyward for tribute to his late father Originally Posted by burningmetal Do Mcdonalds employees drive the company? Are they the reason people go to Mcdonalds? One more question... Are NFL players part of the service industry? I think you know the answer to all three. This is a players league, and the game is not about image. Any notion that it is, is horse crap in my opinion Of all the corruption that goes on behind the scenes, they get to fine people over what is said on their eye black? Seems a tad hypocritical. You would like to think that its a players leuage but that is very far from the truth. You have a few players with staying power but the average career is about 2 years. I'm not calling that a players leauge. People root for the teams more than the players. Service industry, entertainment industry, doen't matter. I could make the comaprison to the military or police department or any other organization or company that has a uniform regulation. You know what you sign up for, follow the rules or face the consequences.

10-20-2015, 06:26 AM	#30
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: NFL fines son of former Saints player Craig Heyward for tribute to his late father Originally Posted by Crusader So then a UPS driver or Mc Donalds clerk should be allowed to write whatever they want on their uniform or themselves while performing their job? ... just imagine the next time you get a package or order a Big Mac and the guy delivering the package or behind the counter is Rod Smart, former XFL player, and he has his old uniform placard across his back, . The XFL, now there was a league for personal expression, .

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