Why Can't We Beat Rookie QB's at Home?

ChrisXVI · 11-08-2015, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Rob Ryan

False. It started with RG3 when Spagnuolo was calling the shots. Also, this is Dennis Allen's defense... Don't fool yourself thinking Rob wants to run this defensive scheme.

spkb25 · 11-08-2015, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

False. It started with RG3 when Spagnuolo was calling the shots. Also, this is Dennis Allen's defense... Don't fool yourself thinking Rob wants to run this defensive scheme.

I don't give a **** about 2012, and I am talking about that fat POS, and he is the problem. bet my left nut

spkb25 · 11-08-2015, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

False. It started with RG3 when Spagnuolo was calling the shots. Also, this is Dennis Allen's defense... Don't fool yourself thinking Rob wants to run this defensive scheme.

then whose frigan fault was it last year, get out of here

ChrisXVI · 11-08-2015, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

then whose frigan fault was it last year, get out of here

A sophomore slump with players who didn't fit his scheme. But hey, instead of giving him this season to prove himself let's bring in Dennis Allen and force Rob Ryan to run Allen's 4-3 and take the blame if it doesn't work out because Allen is one of Payton's "Yes" men.

spkb25 · 11-08-2015, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

A sophomore slump with players who didn't fit his scheme. But hey, instead of giving him this season to prove himself let's bring in Dennis Allen and force Rob Ryan to run Allen's 4-3 and take the blame if it doesn't work out because Allen is one of Payton's "Yes" men.

sophomore slump, what? dude RR blows d***...point to me where he has been successful in the past and I will listen to a word you say

Halo · 11-08-2015, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

A sophomore slump with players who didn't fit his scheme. But hey, instead of giving him this season to prove himself let's bring in Dennis Allen and force Rob Ryan to run Allen's 4-3 and take the blame if it doesn't work out because Allen is one of Payton's "Yes" men.

i think we need a fresh start and give this defensive coaching staff and enema. We need to go in another direction, Dennis Allen included. Clean sweep and start fresh.

hagan714 · 11-08-2015, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

i think we need a fresh start and give this defensive coaching staff and enema. We need to go in another direction, Dennis Allen included. Clean sweep and start fresh.

Been pondering that myself. any ideas?

Danno · 11-08-2015, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

A sophomore slump with players who didn't fit his scheme. But hey, instead of giving him this season to prove himself let's bring in Dennis Allen and force Rob Ryan to run Allen's 4-3 and take the blame if it doesn't work out because Allen is one of Payton's "Yes" men.

I think you're giving way too much blame on Allen, he's merely a consultanat and we're running the exact same schemes we've run under Ryan for 3 years now.

Allen hasn't changed one thing... yet.

burningmetal · 11-08-2015, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

False. It started with RG3 when Spagnuolo was calling the shots. Also, this is Dennis Allen's defense... Don't fool yourself thinking Rob wants to run this defensive scheme.

This particular trend goes back long before Rob Ryan, you're right. But this isn't Dennis Allen's defense. Rob Ryan doesn't have a set defense. That's why the knock has always been on him that his defenses are too confusing for his own team and do the opposite for the opponent as a result. He's been in a lot of places and been fired every time.

Why do you suppose that is? Face it, he's terrible. Any influence Allen has only makes it that much worse. The guy had a terrible defense when he was with Denver and somehow got hired as the Raiders head coach because, well... They're the Raiders. The whole defensive staff is stale.

ChrisXVI · 11-08-2015, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

This particular trend goes back long before Rob Ryan, you're right. But this isn't Dennis Allen's defense. Rob Ryan doesn't have a set defense. That's why the knock has always been on him that his defenses are too confusing for his own team and do the opposite for the opponent as a result. He's been in a lot of places and been fired every time.

Why do you suppose that is? Face it, he's terrible. Any influence Allen has only makes it that much worse. The guy had a terrible defense when he was with Denver and somehow got hired as the Raiders head coach because, well... They're the Raiders. The whole defensive staff is stale.

I appreciate what you had to say Burningmetal. That's exactly how I'm looking at the situation and probably not expressing myself rationally in the emotion of the moment. I agree 100% with your take.

11-08-2015, 03:37 PM	#1
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Why Can't We Beat Rookie QB's at Home? Originally Posted by spkb25 Rob Ryan False. It started with RG3 when Spagnuolo was calling the shots. Also, this is Dennis Allen's defense... Don't fool yourself thinking Rob wants to run this defensive scheme. Rsanders24 likes this.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Why Can't We Beat Rookie QB's at Home? Originally Posted by ChrisXVI False. It started with RG3 when Spagnuolo was calling the shots. Also, this is Dennis Allen's defense... Don't fool yourself thinking Rob wants to run this defensive scheme. I don't give a **** about 2012, and I am talking about that fat POS, and he is the problem. bet my left nut

11-08-2015, 03:40 PM	#3
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Why Can't We Beat Rookie QB's at Home? Originally Posted by ChrisXVI False. It started with RG3 when Spagnuolo was calling the shots. Also, this is Dennis Allen's defense... Don't fool yourself thinking Rob wants to run this defensive scheme. then whose frigan fault was it last year, get out of here

11-08-2015, 03:44 PM	#4
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Why Can't We Beat Rookie QB's at Home? Originally Posted by spkb25 then whose frigan fault was it last year, get out of here A sophomore slump with players who didn't fit his scheme. But hey, instead of giving him this season to prove himself let's bring in Dennis Allen and force Rob Ryan to run Allen's 4-3 and take the blame if it doesn't work out because Allen is one of Payton's "Yes" men. Rsanders24 likes this.

11-08-2015, 03:47 PM	#5
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Why Can't We Beat Rookie QB's at Home? Originally Posted by ChrisXVI A sophomore slump with players who didn't fit his scheme. But hey, instead of giving him this season to prove himself let's bring in Dennis Allen and force Rob Ryan to run Allen's 4-3 and take the blame if it doesn't work out because Allen is one of Payton's "Yes" men. sophomore slump, what? dude RR blows d***...point to me where he has been successful in the past and I will listen to a word you say

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Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,907 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Why Can't We Beat Rookie QB's at Home? Originally Posted by ChrisXVI A sophomore slump with players who didn't fit his scheme. But hey, instead of giving him this season to prove himself let's bring in Dennis Allen and force Rob Ryan to run Allen's 4-3 and take the blame if it doesn't work out because Allen is one of Payton's "Yes" men. i think we need a fresh start and give this defensive coaching staff and enema. We need to go in another direction, Dennis Allen included. Clean sweep and start fresh. saintfan, hagan714 and brees84 like this.

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Why Can't We Beat Rookie QB's at Home? Originally Posted by Halo i think we need a fresh start and give this defensive coaching staff and enema. We need to go in another direction, Dennis Allen included. Clean sweep and start fresh. Been pondering that myself. any ideas?

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Why Can't We Beat Rookie QB's at Home? Originally Posted by ChrisXVI A sophomore slump with players who didn't fit his scheme. But hey, instead of giving him this season to prove himself let's bring in Dennis Allen and force Rob Ryan to run Allen's 4-3 and take the blame if it doesn't work out because Allen is one of Payton's "Yes" men. I think you're giving way too much blame on Allen, he's merely a consultanat and we're running the exact same schemes we've run under Ryan for 3 years now. Allen hasn't changed one thing... yet.

11-08-2015, 04:26 PM	#9
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Why Can't We Beat Rookie QB's at Home? Originally Posted by ChrisXVI False. It started with RG3 when Spagnuolo was calling the shots. Also, this is Dennis Allen's defense... Don't fool yourself thinking Rob wants to run this defensive scheme. This particular trend goes back long before Rob Ryan, you're right. But this isn't Dennis Allen's defense. Rob Ryan doesn't have a set defense. That's why the knock has always been on him that his defenses are too confusing for his own team and do the opposite for the opponent as a result. He's been in a lot of places and been fired every time. Why do you suppose that is? Face it, he's terrible. Any influence Allen has only makes it that much worse. The guy had a terrible defense when he was with Denver and somehow got hired as the Raiders head coach because, well... They're the Raiders. The whole defensive staff is stale. ChrisXVI likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Why Can't We Beat Rookie QB's at Home? Originally Posted by burningmetal This particular trend goes back long before Rob Ryan, you're right. But this isn't Dennis Allen's defense. Rob Ryan doesn't have a set defense. That's why the knock has always been on him that his defenses are too confusing for his own team and do the opposite for the opponent as a result. He's been in a lot of places and been fired every time. Why do you suppose that is? Face it, he's terrible. Any influence Allen has only makes it that much worse. The guy had a terrible defense when he was with Denver and somehow got hired as the Raiders head coach because, well... They're the Raiders. The whole defensive staff is stale. I appreciate what you had to say Burningmetal. That's exactly how I'm looking at the situation and probably not expressing myself rationally in the emotion of the moment. I agree 100% with your take. burningmetal likes this.

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