Saints Tried Out 11 Players Including CB Bradley Fletcher & WR Greg Salas

saintfan · 11-11-2015, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Stopped reading your childish BS right there...

Whew...

burningmetal · 11-11-2015, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Stopped reading your childish BS right there...

Childish? Calling you THAT was childish? You know how many ways there are to call a person a self- absorbed, wannabe know it all? Would you prefer I call you captain obvious?

Telling me that try-out players in the middle of the season won't include the likes of Luke Keuchly was the most condescending and dumbest thing anyone has told me on here in a long time. You don't care about the point that anyone is trying to make, you just want to be THAT GUY who comes in and tells everyone why they're stupid, and how you're somehow enlightened.

Listen, everyone has an opinion and there are going to be disagreements. Ultimately we're all fans, and sometimes emotions override all other reason. But when I see a guy who wants to point out the most obvious things, over and over, and act like no one else is smart enough to figure it out, I lose my patience. Nobody is expecting great players to be found. It's all pointless. Bringing in young players who are unknown and might have a chance to turn into something... That's one thing.

Bringing in old guys, or players who have been around long enough to know that they aren't any good? Boring. That's my opinion. I don't care how much it goes on, and whether or not it "harms anything". I want to hear news about making adjustments on defense, especially as it pertains to Browner. That's why I say that these players won't help. It's not because I expect help to be out there, it's because there IS no help and we're spinning our wheels on a bunch of nobody's that frustrates me. It's tired news.

jnormand · 11-11-2015, 09:33 PM

Ok I'm sorry but some of the comments on this thread have me in tears!!!

burningmetal · 11-11-2015, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Browner has been bad but all but 2 games the entire D has too. Our pass rush hasn't been very consistant and their middle is always exposed in the run game, the lb.'ers aren't able to contend with TE's or close down the open hole in the middle left by the line and our cb.'s get torched by the front 7's play. Single stats good or bad mean absoluetly nothing if the D can't become a unit, they might as well all be watching on the bench. I totally blame this on the coaching staff from top to bottom, Johnson, Vitt and Allen have been together long enough to know how to accordiate the front 7 no matter who the DC is. Allen is suppose to be the secondary guru, well they stink also, for many years these 3 clowns have milked the Saints cashing check after check with little to no results, time to get people in here that can earn a paycheck and not hold their hands out for free cheese like those 3. Ryan should go also not that I don't like him but a total rework of the D scheme needs to happen.

Absolutely. That defensive staff needs to go. There is much blame to go around from coaches to players. Unfortunately there isn't much that can be done till the off-season, so in the mean time it's frustrating that they can't at least put the best AVAILABLE players out there. Someone who at least gives you a chance. But that in and of itself is a further indictment on that staff.

44Champs · 11-11-2015, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Thank you, sherlock holmes. How stupid do you really think I am? The point was that it doesn't matter. It isn't interesting. You had a whole off-season to find role players, and all of next off-season to find role players. These guys aren't good enough to be on a team this deep into the season, so what should we expect from them now, or in the future? These players stink, but we're looking at them anyway? Stop hoping for a diamond in the rough and do a better job evaluating talent BEFORE the season. Do you understand?

We see all this mindless crap going on mid-week, every week, but on the field (where it matters) they aren't smart enough to recognize who the worst player on the field is (Browner).

I totally agree. I mentioned in another post that Loomis has done a terrible job bringing us good players over the last several years. Then Loomis, I mean Danno, refuted my post with some idiotic question about firing the whole scouting department.

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AlaskaSaints · 11-11-2015, 10:35 PM

We're like part farm-team, part NFL football team. With a revolving door.

SmashMouth · 11-11-2015, 10:36 PM

saintfan · 11-11-2015, 11:45 PM

Oh well...

dizzle88 · 11-12-2015, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

But after 8 games he was our 3rd highest rated player on our entire defense behind Cam Jordan and Kevin Williams.

I'd say that a pretty bright spark.

3rd highest rated player on the 31st ranked D in the league though.

jeanpierre · 11-12-2015, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

3rd highest rated player on the 31st ranked D in the league though.

Dizz, I gotta stick up for Breaux for these reasons and more...

First, this is, point of fact, his rookie season, his first NFL season...

Second, Payton and the defensive "brain trust" has flubbed it up until this recent draft when it comes to staffing, scheming the front seven...

Third, some dumb@$$, got the bright idea to give Cam Jordan a very near max contract and build our scheme around him - big mistake...

Fourth, even the backfield from last season was having to cover receivers waaaaay tooooo long because of a non-existent pass rush...

Not to mention the veteran teammates - Browner, Lewis, Byrd - have made so many gaffes keeping the opposition on the field...

You give professional football players that many multiple chances, well, even Revis gets burned when you take enough shots at him...

11-11-2015, 08:17 PM	#21
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints Tried Out 11 Players Including CB Bradley Fletcher & WR Greg Salas Originally Posted by Danno Stopped reading your childish BS right there... Whew... nola_swammi likes this.

11-11-2015, 09:23 PM	#22
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Tried Out 11 Players Including CB Bradley Fletcher & WR Greg Salas Originally Posted by Danno Stopped reading your childish BS right there... Childish? Calling you THAT was childish? You know how many ways there are to call a person a self- absorbed, wannabe know it all? Would you prefer I call you captain obvious? Telling me that try-out players in the middle of the season won't include the likes of Luke Keuchly was the most condescending and dumbest thing anyone has told me on here in a long time. You don't care about the point that anyone is trying to make, you just want to be THAT GUY who comes in and tells everyone why they're stupid, and how you're somehow enlightened. Listen, everyone has an opinion and there are going to be disagreements. Ultimately we're all fans, and sometimes emotions override all other reason. But when I see a guy who wants to point out the most obvious things, over and over, and act like no one else is smart enough to figure it out, I lose my patience. Nobody is expecting great players to be found. It's all pointless. Bringing in young players who are unknown and might have a chance to turn into something... That's one thing. Bringing in old guys, or players who have been around long enough to know that they aren't any good? Boring. That's my opinion. I don't care how much it goes on, and whether or not it "harms anything". I want to hear news about making adjustments on defense, especially as it pertains to Browner. That's why I say that these players won't help. It's not because I expect help to be out there, it's because there IS no help and we're spinning our wheels on a bunch of nobody's that frustrates me. It's tired news.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

11-11-2015, 09:33 PM	#23
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,774	Re: Saints Tried Out 11 Players Including CB Bradley Fletcher & WR Greg Salas Ok I'm sorry but some of the comments on this thread have me in tears!!!

11-11-2015, 09:33 PM	#24
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Tried Out 11 Players Including CB Bradley Fletcher & WR Greg Salas Originally Posted by halloween 65 Browner has been bad but all but 2 games the entire D has too. Our pass rush hasn't been very consistant and their middle is always exposed in the run game, the lb.'ers aren't able to contend with TE's or close down the open hole in the middle left by the line and our cb.'s get torched by the front 7's play. Single stats good or bad mean absoluetly nothing if the D can't become a unit, they might as well all be watching on the bench. I totally blame this on the coaching staff from top to bottom, Johnson, Vitt and Allen have been together long enough to know how to accordiate the front 7 no matter who the DC is. Allen is suppose to be the secondary guru, well they stink also, for many years these 3 clowns have milked the Saints cashing check after check with little to no results, time to get people in here that can earn a paycheck and not hold their hands out for free cheese like those 3. Ryan should go also not that I don't like him but a total rework of the D scheme needs to happen. Absolutely. That defensive staff needs to go. There is much blame to go around from coaches to players. Unfortunately there isn't much that can be done till the off-season, so in the mean time it's frustrating that they can't at least put the best AVAILABLE players out there. Someone who at least gives you a chance. But that in and of itself is a further indictment on that staff.

11-11-2015, 10:17 PM	#25
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: Saints Tried Out 11 Players Including CB Bradley Fletcher & WR Greg Salas Originally Posted by burningmetal Thank you, sherlock holmes. How stupid do you really think I am? The point was that it doesn't matter. It isn't interesting. You had a whole off-season to find role players, and all of next off-season to find role players. These guys aren't good enough to be on a team this deep into the season, so what should we expect from them now, or in the future? These players stink, but we're looking at them anyway? Stop hoping for a diamond in the rough and do a better job evaluating talent BEFORE the season. Do you understand? We see all this mindless crap going on mid-week, every week, but on the field (where it matters) they aren't smart enough to recognize who the worst player on the field is (Browner). I totally agree. I mentioned in another post that Loomis has done a terrible job bringing us good players over the last several years. Then Loomis, I mean Danno, refuted my post with some idiotic question about firing the whole scouting department. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk
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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,541	Re: Saints Tried Out 11 Players Including CB Bradley Fletcher & WR Greg Salas Originally Posted by Danno But after 8 games he was our 3rd highest rated player on our entire defense behind Cam Jordan and Kevin Williams. I'd say that a pretty bright spark. 3rd highest rated player on the 31st ranked D in the league though.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints Tried Out 11 Players Including CB Bradley Fletcher & WR Greg Salas Originally Posted by dizzle88 3rd highest rated player on the 31st ranked D in the league though. Dizz, I gotta stick up for Breaux for these reasons and more... First, this is, point of fact, his rookie season, his first NFL season... Second, Payton and the defensive "brain trust" has flubbed it up until this recent draft when it comes to staffing, scheming the front seven... Third, some dumb@$$, got the bright idea to give Cam Jordan a very near max contract and build our scheme around him - big mistake... Fourth, even the backfield from last season was having to cover receivers waaaaay tooooo long because of a non-existent pass rush... Not to mention the veteran teammates - Browner, Lewis, Byrd - have made so many gaffes keeping the opposition on the field... You give professional football players that many multiple chances, well, even Revis gets burned when you take enough shots at him...
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