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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Wow. I can\'t believe I have to explain this but okay. We have a bad defense, point taken. So what is the best way for the TEAM to protect them? Good offense, i.e. Indianapolis Colts. Did we get that? No. ...
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02-24-2005, 04:23 PM | #31 |
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Wow. I can\'t believe I have to explain this but okay. We have a bad defense, point taken. So what is the best way for the TEAM to protect them? Good offense, i.e. Indianapolis Colts. Did we get that? No. We got 3 and outs and turnovers. Now, if your team CONSISTENTLY goes three and out, does that not give MORE possessions to the opposing team? More possessions=more yards. See how that works? Probably not. Again, we had a bad defense that needed protecting. Somehow you feel a defense where most every position has fans calling for replacements should have done a better job? That\'s like saying you bought a volkswagon beetle for the gas mileage but are pissed that it can\'t win the Indy 500. Let\'s get this straight: WE WERE NOT GONNA HAVE A TOP 10 D IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. What we needed was an offense who had the ability to shield the defense\'s weaknesses, again ala the Colts. We didn\'t. What we got was a non first quarter scoring, red zone turning over, ineffective run gaming, poor play calling, backwards passing, inability to sustain a drive having sub-par train wreck for an offense. So let me put this in plain English, or more plain than the last several times I have said it. LARGE NUMBERS OF THREE AND OUTS, PUNTS, AND TURNOVERS LEAD TO MORE POSSESSIONS FOR THE OPPOSING TEAM. MORE POSSESSIONS LEADS TO MORE YARDS THAT CAN BE ALLOWED BY A DEFENSE. IF YOUR DEFENSE IS ALREADY BAD, THIS WILL KILL THEM. See? If someone said you need to hit 5 free throws, would you feel better if you only got 5 shots at it or if you got 20? Wouldn\'t you feel more comfortable you could hit 5 out of 20 than 5 out of 5? Same with the defense. If teams were getting less possessions cause of a decent offense on our end, that is less yards the defense would have given up. But that was so far from the case as to be ludicrous.
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02-24-2005, 05:04 PM | #32 |
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Recall the Denver game, when whats-his-name broke off that long run the first time he touched the ball? Was that the ONLY time you saw that all year? Did you watch?
So, what you\'re saying is if we\'d have had a record setting offense that set the league on fire our D wouldn\'t have been ranked 32nd because they woulda never been on the field eh? I see. Can somebody go fetch me a record setting offense please? Ok. You win. I\'ll buy that. The ONLY way to keep from giving up 200+ (or near it) rushing yards a game with OUR D was to keep them off the field. I LIKE that. LMAO
So, here\'s one for ya Mr. Guru. Did we give up all those points to those other teams because we were tired? Were we on the field too long? Those other teams seemed to sustain drive after drive on us...especially the GOOD teams, or am I mistaken? |
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02-24-2005, 05:09 PM | #33 |
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Just to add on to how great our offense was, they were 25th in the league in 3rd down conversion %. 25th. That seems like a good #? Seems like an offense that gets off the field on 3rd down. The number was 33%. So one out of 3 third downs you can count on the O punting. Even worse than that is they were 28th in TOP. 28th? That\'s pretty close to worst in the league. And they got more possessions than 11 other teams. I think top 10 in takeaways had something to do with that. Even Miami and Chicago has better TOP than that. Well, the only teams worse were Det, Cle, and Oak. Pretty elite company for our O there. But that shouldn\'t effect the D.
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02-24-2005, 05:14 PM | #34 |
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That cracked me up. LMAO!! You don\'t post enough anymore, saintfan. That totally cracked me up... |
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I already addressed our offense before you posted, but here we go again. I hope you aren\'t intentionally trying to get a rise out of me, cause this is really no challenge. I hope you have some better points next time but here goes.
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02-24-2005, 05:32 PM | #36 |
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Hey, saintfan you even got a cheering section. A well respected one at that. :P
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Well, that was cooperative.
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02-24-2005, 05:57 PM | #38 |
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My apologies to you Kool. If you want, we can go back to our original discussion where I did a percentage of blame assessment. If not it\'s all good. I must admit though I feel your anger from when you blew up about having to repeat yourself. Especially when you have to type it. It\'s just annoying as hell.
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02-24-2005, 06:02 PM | #39 |
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And no, Whodi, I\'m not being mean-spirited. I\'m just posting in kind. No hard feelings here. You take lots of stabs at me, and others...typically with sarcasm, but I don\'t mind. I don\'t take it personally. FYI, our defense needs to stop the run Whodi, and we don\'t need to blame their CLEAR inability to do that on the offense do we? |
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02-24-2005, 06:03 PM | #40 |
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Whodi, I\'m having trouble deciding why it is getting all heated so often these days. My hypothesis earlier was the amount of agreement leaving only undecidable opinions to butt heads. However, I\'m starting to wonder if I was right about that.
I think one of the main problems lately is false attribution of conclusions. I mean, a lot of the time, people misunderstand the conclusion that is being argued for. This thread is an example (which is why I tried to do a distribution). No one is literally saying the performance of one unit has nothing to do with the other - what people are saying is this one is more to blame for this or that. All too frequently no one says how much more to blame or even what this or that is - this leads to others assuming the conclusion. This is frustrating for two reasons: (1) people attribute stuff to other people which is flat out not true, and (2) people end up talking past each other. Xan gave me some great advice on all of this. Getting angry is just unproductive (though sometimes altogether too easy). It is better to take a couple of deep breaths and then calmly try and figure out the disagreement. Now, Xan didn\'t put it that way, and it was much more elegant and elloquent than that, but that was roughly the idea. I\'ll see if I can get a thread going on our earlier question that might help. I\'ll look for your help to keep it civil and figure out what is up. |
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