2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk

saintswhodi · 02-25-2005, 08:23 PM

Lynnwood, this is why you ignore arguments like this once they get past a certain point. Look at this:

Yards per game-383.8- 32nd
Yards per play-5.8-30th
First downs allowed per game-21.4-30th
Penalties on defense-119-25th
Penalty yardage-965-22nd
Field Goals allowed-31- rank 32nd
Scoring: 25.3 per game: rank28th
Passing plays of 20+ yards-65 -rank 31
First downs allowed by passing -193 - rank 27th
Rushing allowed: 140.3 yds per game - rank 30th

Where the hell are the turnovers? Cause that IS one of the MOST IMPORTANT STATS for a defense, and it was very good in the defense\'s favor to the tune of 10th in the league, and it was totally ignored, ya know why? Cause it would shed a good light on the D. That\'s when you KNOW the person or persons you are arguing have no intent of hearing your point, when they omit stats and facts to further theirs. I hope you finally got the message. It is an important lesson to learn. This :casstet: only leads to headaches. Let it ride man.

GumboBC · 02-25-2005, 08:23 PM

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So, if we went .500 and our defense finished dead last in the NFL ... why didn\'t we finish dead last in the NFL? We must have scored some points somewhere?

GumboBC · 02-25-2005, 08:31 PM

Turnovers, eh?

Hmmmmmmm.

What were we ranked? 10th?. Does that mean we were the 10th best defense in the NFL? Or does it mean we were the 32nd best defense in the NFL who ranked 10th in take-aways?

Think about that long and hard. Ooops. Careful now, I don\'t want nobody hurting dem selfs....

Danno · 02-25-2005, 08:45 PM

Turnovers, eh?

Hmmmmmmm.

What were we ranked? 10th?. Does that mean we were the 10th best defense in the NFL? Or does it mean we were the 32nd best defense in the NFL who ranked 10th in take-aways?

Think about that long and hard. Ooops. Careful now, I don\'t want nobody hurting dem selfs....

Oh my goodness. Thats pityful.
You mean we ranked 10th in takeaways and still finished DFL?
No way thats true. That just can\'t be right. We weren\'t that bad...were we?

I remember at one point late in the season we were on pace to break the record for the worst defense in the entire 40 year history of the NFL. How close did we come?

lynwood · 02-25-2005, 08:56 PM

All i remember is the offense being booed, I wonder why? Oh yeah unable to score and turning the ball over. Man they were booed alot.

All i know is if the offense showed up for half a game i wouldn\'t bet on them unless it was iNDY.

shadowdrinker · 02-25-2005, 08:58 PM

That\'s when you KNOW the person or persons you are arguing have no intent of hearing your point, when they omit stats and facts to further theirs.

Kinda like picking and choosing certain drives..certain games...and certain scenario\'s and trying to make that the bulk of your argument...

Or..picking only certain stats..and focusing only on them..and calling anyone who fails to buy into this one sided logic...\'\'Closed minded\'\'...look at the average ranking...in all catagories..we are near rock bottom( if not at rock bottom)..less one...

Hang your hat on turnover ratio...but..it\'s is derailed by the overall ranking..DEAD LAST...and even MOST of the catagorized stats share the bottom ranking...or very near it...

Yeah..great D!!!...

I cannot believe someone is actually defending this Defense...I just..can\'t believe it...

It is the responsibility of the DEFENSE to put the Offense in a favorable positon to score...the lack of points..is from the lack of opportunity...that\'s what a Defense does..stop scoring..and create opportunity for the Offense to score..plain and simple...

The worst D possibly in NFL history..and STILL ..The Offense managed to rank top 15th....you call it \'\'Padding\'\'..I call it..scrambling to win...guess it just depends on how you look at it...

lynwood · 02-25-2005, 08:58 PM

Lynnwood, this is why you ignore arguments like this once they get past a certain point. Look at this:

Yards per game-383.8- 32nd
Yards per play-5.8-30th
First downs allowed per game-21.4-30th
Penalties on defense-119-25th
Penalty yardage-965-22nd
Field Goals allowed-31- rank 32nd
Scoring: 25.3 per game: rank28th
Passing plays of 20+ yards-65 -rank 31
First downs allowed by passing -193 - rank 27th
Rushing allowed: 140.3 yds per game - rank 30th

Where the hell are the turnovers? Cause that IS one of the MOST IMPORTANT STATS for a defense, and it was very good in the defense\'s favor to the tune of 10th in the league, and it was totally ignored, ya know why? Cause it would shed a good light on the D. That\'s when you KNOW the person or persons you are arguing have no intent of hearing your point, when they omit stats and facts to further theirs. I hope you finally got the message. It is an important lesson to learn. This :casstet: only leads to headaches. Let it ride man.

every time i think i\'m out they pull me back in.

Danno · 02-25-2005, 09:02 PM

All i remember is the offense being booed, I wonder why? Oh yeah unable to score and turning the ball over. Man they were booed alot.

All i know is if the offense showed up for half a game i wouldn\'t bet on them unless it was iNDY.

You don\'t remember the defense being booed?
Good grief, they were ridiculed and lambasted for 12 straight weeks by everyone. Even during the last 4 people were claiming it was because we were playing injured teams starting their scrubs.

If the fans were booing the offense more than the defense then the Saints fans have to be the most clueless fans in the game. I don\'t think that was the case.

saintswhodi · 02-25-2005, 09:09 PM

This thread went from midly annoying to :rollinglaugh: faster than the Saints offense can get off the field.

shadowdrinker · 02-25-2005, 09:11 PM

I think alot of it was just the team in general getting booed..and some of that may have been for Has too...and Benson.. N.O. has seen better days...

And these guys know that..they\'re just reaching...

02-25-2005, 08:23 PM	#81
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk Lynnwood, this is why you ignore arguments like this once they get past a certain point. Look at this: Yards per game-383.8- 32nd Yards per play-5.8-30th First downs allowed per game-21.4-30th Penalties on defense-119-25th Penalty yardage-965-22nd Field Goals allowed-31- rank 32nd Scoring: 25.3 per game: rank28th Passing plays of 20+ yards-65 -rank 31 First downs allowed by passing -193 - rank 27th Rushing allowed: 140.3 yds per game - rank 30th Where the hell are the turnovers? Cause that IS one of the MOST IMPORTANT STATS for a defense, and it was very good in the defense\'s favor to the tune of 10th in the league, and it was totally ignored, ya know why? Cause it would shed a good light on the D. That\'s when you KNOW the person or persons you are arguing have no intent of hearing your point, when they omit stats and facts to further theirs. I hope you finally got the message. It is an important lesson to learn. This :casstet: only leads to headaches. Let it ride man.

02-25-2005, 08:23 PM	#82
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk .500 \' So, if we went .500 and our defense finished dead last in the NFL ... why didn\'t we finish dead last in the NFL? We must have scored some points somewhere?
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02-25-2005, 08:31 PM	#83
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk Turnovers, eh? Hmmmmmmm. What were we ranked? 10th?. Does that mean we were the 10th best defense in the NFL? Or does it mean we were the 32nd best defense in the NFL who ranked 10th in take-aways? Think about that long and hard. Ooops. Careful now, I don\'t want nobody hurting dem selfs....
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02-25-2005, 08:45 PM	#84
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk Turnovers, eh? Hmmmmmmm. What were we ranked? 10th?. Does that mean we were the 10th best defense in the NFL? Or does it mean we were the 32nd best defense in the NFL who ranked 10th in take-aways? Think about that long and hard. Ooops. Careful now, I don\'t want nobody hurting dem selfs.... Oh my goodness. Thats pityful. You mean we ranked 10th in takeaways and still finished DFL? No way thats true. That just can\'t be right. We weren\'t that bad...were we? I remember at one point late in the season we were on pace to break the record for the worst defense in the entire 40 year history of the NFL. How close did we come?

02-25-2005, 08:56 PM	#85
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk All i remember is the offense being booed, I wonder why? Oh yeah unable to score and turning the ball over. Man they were booed alot. All i know is if the offense showed up for half a game i wouldn\'t bet on them unless it was iNDY.

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02-25-2005, 08:58 PM	#86
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk That\'s when you KNOW the person or persons you are arguing have no intent of hearing your point, when they omit stats and facts to further theirs. Kinda like picking and choosing certain drives..certain games...and certain scenario\'s and trying to make that the bulk of your argument... Or..picking only certain stats..and focusing only on them..and calling anyone who fails to buy into this one sided logic...\'\'Closed minded\'\'...look at the average ranking...in all catagories..we are near rock bottom( if not at rock bottom)..less one... Hang your hat on turnover ratio...but..it\'s is derailed by the overall ranking..DEAD LAST...and even MOST of the catagorized stats share the bottom ranking...or very near it... Yeah..great D!!!... I cannot believe someone is actually defending this Defense...I just..can\'t believe it... It is the responsibility of the DEFENSE to put the Offense in a favorable positon to score...the lack of points..is from the lack of opportunity...that\'s what a Defense does..stop scoring..and create opportunity for the Offense to score..plain and simple... The worst D possibly in NFL history..and STILL ..The Offense managed to rank top 15th....you call it \'\'Padding\'\'..I call it..scrambling to win...guess it just depends on how you look at it...
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02-25-2005, 09:02 PM	#88
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk All i remember is the offense being booed, I wonder why? Oh yeah unable to score and turning the ball over. Man they were booed alot. All i know is if the offense showed up for half a game i wouldn\'t bet on them unless it was iNDY. You don\'t remember the defense being booed? Good grief, they were ridiculed and lambasted for 12 straight weeks by everyone. Even during the last 4 people were claiming it was because we were playing injured teams starting their scrubs. If the fans were booing the offense more than the defense then the Saints fans have to be the most clueless fans in the game. I don\'t think that was the case.

02-25-2005, 09:09 PM	#89
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk This thread went from midly annoying to :rollinglaugh: faster than the Saints offense can get off the field.

02-25-2005, 09:11 PM	#90
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk I think alot of it was just the team in general getting booed..and some of that may have been for Has too...and Benson.. N.O. has seen better days... And these guys know that..they\'re just reaching...
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