2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk

GumboBC · 02-25-2005, 03:11 PM

Danno -- WELL SAID!!

Everyone has the right to have an opinion on the 2004 Saints defense.

Some folks think our offense was much of the problem for our defense. That\'s fine, I suppose. But, if some folks think that, then I really have to take a long look anytime they post any of their opinions. Because that\'s the biggest reach I\'ve heard in quite some time!!

I don\'t know how much worse a defense needs to play to finish DEAD LAST in the NFL. Our defense couldn\'t have played much worse in the first 12 games.

And even with the big improvement over the last 4-games they finished .... what? DEAD LAST!!

shadowdrinker · 02-25-2005, 03:12 PM

That\'s what I have been saying all along

saintswhodi · 02-25-2005, 03:16 PM

that there would be any person alive who would praise the Defense

Who\'s praising them? Are you kidding? I have said numerous times how bad they were. But I am not gonna sit here and say it was ALL their fault when the offense stank right with them. That\'s so narrow-minded as to be unbelievable. Do you honestly feel that what the offense does PLAYS NO PART in what happens with the defense? Seriously? So this isn\'t a team, it\'s two different units doing two seperate jobs totally apart from each other? So when an INT ot fumble by our offense is taken back for a TD, does that not effect the defense\'s points allowed? Again, I forgot who I was arguing with. :casstet:

saintswhodi · 02-25-2005, 03:18 PM

Howard himself was quoted as saying the team would not use the tag...you gonna write him a letter?...

Drew Bledsoe also said HE would be the starting QB of the Bills next year. See how far HIM saying what the TEAM would do WITH HIM got him. :casstet:

shadowdrinker · 02-25-2005, 03:23 PM

that there would be any person alive who would praise the Defense

Who\'s praising them? Are you kidding? I have said numerous times how bad they were. But I am not gonna sit here and say it was ALL their fault when the offense stank right with them. That\'s so narrow-minded as to be unbelievable. Do you honestly feel that what the offense does PLAYS NO PART in what happens with the defense? Seriously? So this isn\'t a team, it\'s two different units doing two seperate jobs totally apart from each other? So when an INT ot fumble by our offense is taken back for a TD, does that not effect the defense\'s points allowed? Again, I forgot who I was arguing with. :casstet:

Your the one who said all of that...

You are now entering the arguing with yourself phase...

I did say I cannot believe anyone alive would praise the D...other than that..those are your words..and your assumptions...

Of course it goes hand in hand...but..you can\'t only say..that the Offense hurt the Defense...

The Defense was getting killed all year long..not taking up any time off the clock..and not giving rest to the Offense...they consitently put the Offense\'s back against the wall..letting even the laughable Cardinals score with ease..and forcing our Offense to start way behind the 50 ..on the other hand...the Offense put the D in bad situations too..this is true with each and every team that has ever played...

But..rarely has a D put an Offense in such poor shape , as often as the Saints D did last year...and the stats show it....

saintswhodi · 02-25-2005, 03:24 PM

:rollinglaugh: Okay. I am gonna quit, I remember how long this took the last time.

GumboBC · 02-25-2005, 03:25 PM

I kinda agree with the fella that said this:

Well, the Dolphins D is A LOT more talented than ours, it\'s not even close. As well as any of those other teams mentioned. The talent on those defenses can overcome mistakes by their offenses. We have no such luxury. None. Our margin for error by our offense is minimal due to the lack of overall talent on the D, and they far exceeded it.

Guess who said this?

shadowdrinker · 02-25-2005, 03:28 PM

I kinda agree with the fella that said this:

Well, the Dolphins D is A LOT more talented than ours, it\'s not even close. As well as any of those other teams mentioned. The talent on those defenses can overcome mistakes by their offenses. We have no such luxury. None. Our margin for error by our offense is minimal due to the lack of overall talent on the D, and they far exceeded it.

Guess who said this?

hahaha...gumbo..you are the devil...

saintswhodi · 02-25-2005, 03:31 PM

I really have no explanation for those who disagree by making your point for you.

FrenzyFan · 02-25-2005, 03:34 PM

I would hope no one would argue that our defense was terrible this year. They were flat awful. Period.

I would also hope that no one would argue that our offense failed far too many times and kept putting that awful defense on the field - far more than they should have been.

I would also hope no one would argue that this fact contributed to our defense having even worse stats that they would have had if our offense had shown up in the first half all year long.

Make of that what you will.

02-25-2005, 03:11 PM	#21
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk Danno -- WELL SAID!! Everyone has the right to have an opinion on the 2004 Saints defense. Some folks think our offense was much of the problem for our defense. That\'s fine, I suppose. But, if some folks think that, then I really have to take a long look anytime they post any of their opinions. Because that\'s the biggest reach I\'ve heard in quite some time!! I don\'t know how much worse a defense needs to play to finish DEAD LAST in the NFL. Our defense couldn\'t have played much worse in the first 12 games. And even with the big improvement over the last 4-games they finished .... what? DEAD LAST!!
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02-25-2005, 03:12 PM	#22
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk That\'s what I have been saying all along
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02-25-2005, 03:16 PM	#23
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk that there would be any person alive who would praise the Defense Who\'s praising them? Are you kidding? I have said numerous times how bad they were. But I am not gonna sit here and say it was ALL their fault when the offense stank right with them. That\'s so narrow-minded as to be unbelievable. Do you honestly feel that what the offense does PLAYS NO PART in what happens with the defense? Seriously? So this isn\'t a team, it\'s two different units doing two seperate jobs totally apart from each other? So when an INT ot fumble by our offense is taken back for a TD, does that not effect the defense\'s points allowed? Again, I forgot who I was arguing with. :casstet:

02-25-2005, 03:18 PM	#24
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk Howard himself was quoted as saying the team would not use the tag...you gonna write him a letter?... Drew Bledsoe also said HE would be the starting QB of the Bills next year. See how far HIM saying what the TEAM would do WITH HIM got him. :casstet:

02-25-2005, 03:23 PM	#25
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk that there would be any person alive who would praise the Defense Who\'s praising them? Are you kidding? I have said numerous times how bad they were. But I am not gonna sit here and say it was ALL their fault when the offense stank right with them. That\'s so narrow-minded as to be unbelievable. Do you honestly feel that what the offense does PLAYS NO PART in what happens with the defense? Seriously? So this isn\'t a team, it\'s two different units doing two seperate jobs totally apart from each other? So when an INT ot fumble by our offense is taken back for a TD, does that not effect the defense\'s points allowed? Again, I forgot who I was arguing with. :casstet: Your the one who said all of that... You are now entering the arguing with yourself phase... I did say I cannot believe anyone alive would praise the D...other than that..those are your words..and your assumptions... Of course it goes hand in hand...but..you can\'t only say..that the Offense hurt the Defense... The Defense was getting killed all year long..not taking up any time off the clock..and not giving rest to the Offense...they consitently put the Offense\'s back against the wall..letting even the laughable Cardinals score with ease..and forcing our Offense to start way behind the 50 ..on the other hand...the Offense put the D in bad situations too..this is true with each and every team that has ever played... But..rarely has a D put an Offense in such poor shape , as often as the Saints D did last year...and the stats show it....
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02-25-2005, 03:24 PM	#26
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk :rollinglaugh: Okay. I am gonna quit, I remember how long this took the last time.

02-25-2005, 03:25 PM	#27
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk I kinda agree with the fella that said this: Well, the Dolphins D is A LOT more talented than ours, it\'s not even close. As well as any of those other teams mentioned. The talent on those defenses can overcome mistakes by their offenses. We have no such luxury. None. Our margin for error by our offense is minimal due to the lack of overall talent on the D, and they far exceeded it. Guess who said this?
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02-25-2005, 03:28 PM	#28
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk I kinda agree with the fella that said this: Well, the Dolphins D is A LOT more talented than ours, it\'s not even close. As well as any of those other teams mentioned. The talent on those defenses can overcome mistakes by their offenses. We have no such luxury. None. Our margin for error by our offense is minimal due to the lack of overall talent on the D, and they far exceeded it. Guess who said this? hahaha...gumbo..you are the devil...
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02-25-2005, 03:31 PM	#29
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk I really have no explanation for those who disagree by making your point for you.

02-25-2005, 03:34 PM	#30
FrenzyFan 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 406	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk I would hope no one would argue that our defense was terrible this year. They were flat awful. Period. I would also hope that no one would argue that our offense failed far too many times and kept putting that awful defense on the field - far more than they should have been. I would also hope no one would argue that this fact contributed to our defense having even worse stats that they would have had if our offense had shown up in the first half all year long. Make of that what you will.
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