2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk

LKelley67 · 02-25-2005, 05:04 PM

wunnerful danno

xan · 02-25-2005, 05:07 PM

So, Shadow, you\'re saying that the 8 games won last season was because the offense annihilated the opposition? That specious argument could cost you some cred.

Fact is, the Defense actually showed up in 8 wins and two of the losses (3 if you count the 1st half of MIN). They did suck significantly in the 5 blowouts, but as I\'ve demonstrated above, the offense actually played for the opponent in the first half of each of those games. They averaged 352 yards (26th) and 18.3 points allowed which was 9th in the 10 close games.

I\'ll take the 9th best scoring defense in the league any day regardless of how many yards they give up. That\'s what this group is capable of.

Though I\'m not finished with the analysis, it is looking like the problem still is the secondary, as the bulk of rushing yardage in games lost occured in the 2nd half of games already out of reach. Run D, surprisingly held up well. The RadOut in each is that there was 1 long run in each game that accounted for much of the total yards rushing.

lynwood · 02-25-2005, 05:07 PM

Someone with the resources and time should figure out the yard given up in the first half by our defense against yards gained by our offense. Our defense wasn\'t great but our offense was worse. I\'ve seen enought stats posted on here to know that the offense played only a half of stat padding football. Also look at time of defense on the field versus offense. They do have some closed minded I love the offense no matter what people on here but they didn\'t do squat to keep the game close or relieve the defense in almost all of the games. If they had 1000 yards a game but couldn\'t score the offense woulds stat good but we would still lose.

saintswhodi · 02-25-2005, 05:11 PM

They do have some closed minded I love the offense no matter what people on here

No truer words.............................

lynwood · 02-25-2005, 05:12 PM

Also good work with the stats Xan and SaintsWhodi.

GumboBC · 02-25-2005, 05:13 PM

They do have some closed minded I love the offense no matter what people on here

When taking up for the 32nd ranked defense in the NFL, that\'s about the only thing someone can say. Or quote!! LMAO!!

lynwood · 02-25-2005, 05:17 PM

No i say it about people that take up for a 4th quarter stat padding offense that can\'t score but all they do is play fantasy ball and care about the yards stats and catch stats. The team might lose but i bet your fantasy score was great.

saintswhodi · 02-25-2005, 05:19 PM

GumboBC · 02-25-2005, 05:21 PM

No i say it about people that take up for a 4th quarter stat padding offense that can\'t score but all they do is play fantasy ball and care about the yards stats and catch stats. The team might lose but i bet your fantasy score was great.

I\'ll have you to know that I\'ve NEVER played fantasy football.

How\'s your team doing?

shadowdrinker · 02-25-2005, 05:23 PM

So, Shadow, you\'re saying that the 8 games won last season was because the offense annihilated the opposition? That specious argument could cost you some cred.

No..Your saying that...I said..The only reason we even won 8 games ..is because of the Offense...and..It\'s true...I also said..the Offense wasn\'t strong enough to carry the weak D every week...BUT..they D**M sure produced more towards victory than the LAST RANKED DEFENSE ..and that is just a fact...Year in and year out..it is our Offense that we hang victories on...The Stats prove it..they are not\'\'modified\'\'..they are not able to be taken away..and changed into something else...

The Offense isn\'t the greatest ever...the Defense on the other hand..could be argued as the worst in History...

I\'m still in awe, and just udderly amazed...that anyone could actually try to defend the Defense...

02-25-2005, 05:04 PM	#41
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk wunnerful danno

02-25-2005, 05:07 PM	#42
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,369 Blog Entries: 34	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk So, Shadow, you\'re saying that the 8 games won last season was because the offense annihilated the opposition? That specious argument could cost you some cred. Fact is, the Defense actually showed up in 8 wins and two of the losses (3 if you count the 1st half of MIN). They did suck significantly in the 5 blowouts, but as I\'ve demonstrated above, the offense actually played for the opponent in the first half of each of those games. They averaged 352 yards (26th) and 18.3 points allowed which was 9th in the 10 close games. I\'ll take the 9th best scoring defense in the league any day regardless of how many yards they give up. That\'s what this group is capable of. Though I\'m not finished with the analysis, it is looking like the problem still is the secondary, as the bulk of rushing yardage in games lost occured in the 2nd half of games already out of reach. Run D, surprisingly held up well. The RadOut in each is that there was 1 long run in each game that accounted for much of the total yards rushing.
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02-25-2005, 05:07 PM	#43
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk Someone with the resources and time should figure out the yard given up in the first half by our defense against yards gained by our offense. Our defense wasn\'t great but our offense was worse. I\'ve seen enought stats posted on here to know that the offense played only a half of stat padding football. Also look at time of defense on the field versus offense. They do have some closed minded I love the offense no matter what people on here but they didn\'t do squat to keep the game close or relieve the defense in almost all of the games. If they had 1000 yards a game but couldn\'t score the offense woulds stat good but we would still lose.

02-25-2005, 05:11 PM	#44
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk They do have some closed minded I love the offense no matter what people on here No truer words.............................

02-25-2005, 05:12 PM	#45
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk Also good work with the stats Xan and SaintsWhodi.

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02-25-2005, 05:13 PM	#46
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk They do have some closed minded I love the offense no matter what people on here When taking up for the 32nd ranked defense in the NFL, that\'s about the only thing someone can say. Or quote!! LMAO!!
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02-25-2005, 05:17 PM	#47
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk No i say it about people that take up for a 4th quarter stat padding offense that can\'t score but all they do is play fantasy ball and care about the yards stats and catch stats. The team might lose but i bet your fantasy score was great.

02-25-2005, 05:19 PM	#48
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02-25-2005, 05:21 PM	#49
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk No i say it about people that take up for a 4th quarter stat padding offense that can\'t score but all they do is play fantasy ball and care about the yards stats and catch stats. The team might lose but i bet your fantasy score was great. I\'ll have you to know that I\'ve NEVER played fantasy football. How\'s your team doing?
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02-25-2005, 05:23 PM	#50
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk So, Shadow, you\'re saying that the 8 games won last season was because the offense annihilated the opposition? That specious argument could cost you some cred. No..Your saying that...I said..The only reason we even won 8 games ..is because of the Offense...and..It\'s true...I also said..the Offense wasn\'t strong enough to carry the weak D every week...BUT..they D**M sure produced more towards victory than the LAST RANKED DEFENSE ..and that is just a fact...Year in and year out..it is our Offense that we hang victories on...The Stats prove it..they are not\'\'modified\'\'..they are not able to be taken away..and changed into something else... The Offense isn\'t the greatest ever...the Defense on the other hand..could be argued as the worst in History... I\'m still in awe, and just udderly amazed...that anyone could actually try to defend the Defense...
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