Trade Down at 12?

RaginCajun83 · 02-28-2016, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by NonieT

Who is probably going to be red-shirted this season? No thanks. There are plenty of good LB in this draft. Cravens for example and we can probably get him in the 2nd round.

a guresome injury didn't stop Willis McGahee from being picked in the first. Look when it comes to Smith, he's the top LB in the draft and I've heard he compares to Patrick Willis and Luke Kechley BUT yeah let's pass on him because he will miss one season. I'd take one season on IR for 10-15 years of watching a dominate player on defense

hagan714 · 02-29-2016, 03:55 AM

I am not sure about Smith. If there is never damage that is a huge red flag. If so the odds of him coming back 100% are next to zero. This kid will fall through the floor if the medical evals hold up and there is major nerve damage. I am talking possible day 3 flyer to UDFA stuff here.

Trade down and stuff a later round pick in your pocket to use on him would be not crazy.

Question now appears to be HOW BAD is the nerve damage? Doctors have gotten really good at a lot of thing but nerve repair and evaluational in not one of them. He is going to have opinions all of the place as to how bad the damage is. Doctors just still do not know enough about nerves in general and repair of them. It is always a wait and see what we got when all is said and done.

His future is in the hands of the medical evals. do not feel to bad for the kid, I heard if he drops out of round 1 his 5 million dollar insurance policy kicks in. smart kid

K Major · 02-29-2016, 08:59 AM

Saints won't gamble on Jaylon Smith @ #12. Hoping for a speedy recovery.

RaginCajun83 · 02-29-2016, 09:52 AM

Hearing an interview with him made me like this kid even more, seemed up beat and not discouraged by the rehab process. He just oozed Saints type of player, smart and team first.

He was smart to take out the insurance policy but I got a feeling some team in the first will draft him

vpheughan · 02-29-2016, 10:22 AM

Depends on your definition of great too: Colston, Morestead

WhoDatFan26 · 03-03-2016, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I think the Bears go LB which will free up

A'Shawn Robinson, DT, Alabama

I don't see how you pass on this guy.

I can easily see us passing on him. He has no pass rush ability. We need a pass rusher. Our DT are young and can play. We need someone who can at least scare opposing O-Line's other than Cam Jordan. Robinson doesn't do that.

WhoDatFan26 · 03-03-2016, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Every time I see Conner Cook's name pop up, I shake my head. The guy just isn't that good... Sorry. Decent college QB, but not NFL material by any measure that I have seen.

As for the Saints, I still don't have a consensus in my own mind about who I'd like them to take. I only know that I would like a true lane clogging DT (something we haven't had since Norman Hand) a mauling OG and an OLB who can rush the passer AND cover. I doubt all three needs will be addressed, but 2 out of 3 would be great. This draft looks deep with solid talent, but lacks guys who I'd say "we HAVE to get him". Very few of those... I'm sure someone will surprise us though, and I hope we get whoever that is.

We have 1 pass rushing OLB in Kikaha, but we aren't using him properly. To best use our talent we need to run a 3-4. Kikaha is wasted n a 4-3 Defense.

WhoDatFan26 · 03-03-2016, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

No you stay at 12 and draft Jaylen Smith LB Norte Dame

I love the kid, but nerve damage isn't something to chance. Especially when we need to make a definitive splash in the first round.

WhoDatFan26 · 03-03-2016, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I think we've kinda sucked with the late rounders too.

Who was the last late round pick that turned out to be great?

Cameron Jordan, DE from California. Drafted in 2011.

K Major · 03-03-2016, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26

I love the kid, but nerve damage isn't something to chance. Especially when we need to make a definitive splash in the first round.

Some analyst have JS dropping out of the 2nd rd, possibly early 3rd (similar to RB Marcus Lattimore).

Frankly I can't see it but if he can heal back to 100%, he is going to improve someones defense, quick, fast and in a hurry.

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02-28-2016, 09:00 PM	#31
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Trade Down at 12? Originally Posted by NonieT Who is probably going to be red-shirted this season? No thanks. There are plenty of good LB in this draft. Cravens for example and we can probably get him in the 2nd round. a guresome injury didn't stop Willis McGahee from being picked in the first. Look when it comes to Smith, he's the top LB in the draft and I've heard he compares to Patrick Willis and Luke Kechley BUT yeah let's pass on him because he will miss one season. I'd take one season on IR for 10-15 years of watching a dominate player on defense

02-29-2016, 03:55 AM	#32
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Trade Down at 12? I am not sure about Smith. If there is never damage that is a huge red flag. If so the odds of him coming back 100% are next to zero. This kid will fall through the floor if the medical evals hold up and there is major nerve damage. I am talking possible day 3 flyer to UDFA stuff here. Trade down and stuff a later round pick in your pocket to use on him would be not crazy. Question now appears to be HOW BAD is the nerve damage? Doctors have gotten really good at a lot of thing but nerve repair and evaluational in not one of them. He is going to have opinions all of the place as to how bad the damage is. Doctors just still do not know enough about nerves in general and repair of them. It is always a wait and see what we got when all is said and done. His future is in the hands of the medical evals. do not feel to bad for the kid, I heard if he drops out of round 1 his 5 million dollar insurance policy kicks in. smart kid
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02-29-2016, 08:59 AM	#33
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,589 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Trade Down at 12? Saints won't gamble on Jaylon Smith @ #12. Hoping for a speedy recovery.

02-29-2016, 09:52 AM	#34
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Trade Down at 12? Hearing an interview with him made me like this kid even more, seemed up beat and not discouraged by the rehab process. He just oozed Saints type of player, smart and team first. He was smart to take out the insurance policy but I got a feeling some team in the first will draft him

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WhoDatFan26 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365	Re: Trade Down at 12? Originally Posted by Euphoria I think the Bears go LB which will free up A'Shawn Robinson, DT, Alabama I don't see how you pass on this guy. I can easily see us passing on him. He has no pass rush ability. We need a pass rusher. Our DT are young and can play. We need someone who can at least scare opposing O-Line's other than Cam Jordan. Robinson doesn't do that.
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03-03-2016, 03:02 PM	#37
WhoDatFan26 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365	Re: Trade Down at 12? Originally Posted by burningmetal Every time I see Conner Cook's name pop up, I shake my head. The guy just isn't that good... Sorry. Decent college QB, but not NFL material by any measure that I have seen. As for the Saints, I still don't have a consensus in my own mind about who I'd like them to take. I only know that I would like a true lane clogging DT (something we haven't had since Norman Hand) a mauling OG and an OLB who can rush the passer AND cover. I doubt all three needs will be addressed, but 2 out of 3 would be great. This draft looks deep with solid talent, but lacks guys who I'd say "we HAVE to get him". Very few of those... I'm sure someone will surprise us though, and I hope we get whoever that is. We have 1 pass rushing OLB in Kikaha, but we aren't using him properly. To best use our talent we need to run a 3-4. Kikaha is wasted n a 4-3 Defense.
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03-03-2016, 03:52 PM	#38
WhoDatFan26 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365	Re: Trade Down at 12? Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 No you stay at 12 and draft Jaylen Smith LB Norte Dame I love the kid, but nerve damage isn't something to chance. Especially when we need to make a definitive splash in the first round.
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03-03-2016, 04:25 PM	#39
WhoDatFan26 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365	Re: Trade Down at 12? Originally Posted by Danno I think we've kinda sucked with the late rounders too. Who was the last late round pick that turned out to be great? Cameron Jordan, DE from California. Drafted in 2011.
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03-03-2016, 04:35 PM	#40
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,589 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Trade Down at 12? Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26 I love the kid, but nerve damage isn't something to chance. Especially when we need to make a definitive splash in the first round. Some analyst have JS dropping out of the 2nd rd, possibly early 3rd (similar to RB Marcus Lattimore). Frankly I can't see it but if he can heal back to 100%, he is going to improve someones defense, quick, fast and in a hurry.

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