What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell?

vpheughan · 03-05-2016, 02:11 PM

Did Albert Haynseworth have a "Proven NFL Resume" when Washington signed him? He had a combined 14.5 sacks for seasons 2007 & 2008

Jarius Byrd had 22 INT's and 3 Sacks with Buffalo from 2009-20013

Is it the respective teams scouting departments fault they didnt live up to their "Proven Resume's?"

Danno · 03-05-2016, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Free agency is as much a crap shoot as the draft.

I agree with BPA, but we need line help so hopefully the BPA is a dt

We've hit on numerous free agents over the years. Greer, Lewis, Sharper, Lofton, Goodwin, Moore, Vilma, Thomas, Watson, Fujita, Shanle, KWilliams, Hargrove, Hightower, Snead, Bush, etc.
it appears we have problems when we sign the splash guys like Byrd and Browner.

I'd like to return to filling holes with the less expensive 2nd tier guys. We had a lot of success doing that

jeanpierre · 03-05-2016, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Free agency is as much a crap shoot as the draft.

I agree with BPA, but we need line help so hopefully the BPA is a dt

IF Mickey is making the decisions, yes...

But we do have Jeff Ireland now...

As stated, this is a weak draft at several positions with defensive linemen being the only deep position...

For that reason, we can wait a round to draft a lineman...

And many of these linemen are two seasons away before having any significant impact...

Treadwell will start and have an impact - immediately...

jeanpierre · 03-05-2016, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Did Albert Haynseworth have a "Proven NFL Resume" when Washington signed him? He had a combined 14.5 sacks for seasons 2007 & 2008

Jarius Byrd had 22 INT's and 3 Sacks with Buffalo from 2009-20013

Is it the respective teams scouting departments fault they didnt live up to their "Proven Resume's?"

Many teams didn't want anything to do with Haynesworth because of his well documented temperament...

Haynesworth on the Redskins was like irritating a bad dog, taking it off its leash, and leaving it alone in the yard...

jeanpierre · 03-05-2016, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

I don't like Treadwell b/c he is from that college in Oxford, MS...only Archie, Deuce & William Faulkner are the only decent people to come out of that town, in my opinion.

I see the logic of picking him up at 12. But I'm on the "Fix-the-Front-7" train.

Hey, now...don't go hating on Mississippi...

And we've got a good run with Ole Miss and we're due for another one...

And I'm with you on fixing the front seven, but we only need a couple of free agents and we're there...

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Adding DE Malik Jackson and NT Damon Harrison could allow us to go 3-4 or 4-3 and base front(s) could look like these...

3-4 DEFENSE

RDE (2) Cameron Jordan, Bobby Richardson

NT (3) Damon Harrison, John Jenkins, Tyeler Davison

LDE (2) Malik Jackson, Lawrence Virgil

LEO (2) Davis Tull, Kasim Edebali

WLB (2) Dannell Ellerbe, Mike Mauti

MLB (2) Stephone Anthony, Jeff Luc

SLB (2) Hau'oli Kikaha, Erik Harris

4-3 DEFENSE

RDE (2) Cameron Jordan, Lawrence Virgil (ERFA)

DT (2) John Jenkins, Tyeler Davison

NT (2) Damon Harrison, Kaleb Eulls

LDE (2) Malik Jackson, Bobby Richardson

WLB (2) Dannell Ellerbe, Erik Harris

MLB (2) Stephone Anthony, Mike Mauti

SLB (3) Hau'oli Kikaha, Kasim Edebali, Davis Tull

Projected Starter

Reserve/Injured

Reserve/Future

Now, it looks like Jackson is pricing himself out of the market; personally, I'd offer what we're paying Jordan, but Jackson's agent reportedly turned down 12 mil per year...

So, we may have to look at next tier guys; point is, we do not have to throw the entire draft at the defense...

Rugby Saint II · 03-05-2016, 06:31 PM

I want to fix the defense first. But at the same time a WR could help close out games. Of course a great defense wins Championships and we desperately need to fix our shoddy defensive line.

Seer1 · 03-05-2016, 08:45 PM

With our offense, even a mediocre defense will win championships.

jeanpierre · 03-06-2016, 04:38 AM

We're undersized on the defensive line...it's that simple...

Sign some massive types (NT Damon Harrison, DE Malik Jackson, DE Cedric Thornton, DE Jarvis Jenkins) and clog that middle, collapse the pocket...

We've got edge rushers already on the roster, we've just got to scheme correctly...

hagan714 · 03-06-2016, 09:25 AM

all Treadwell has to do is not run like a TE. his tape speaks for itself

vpheughan · 03-06-2016, 10:13 AM

Good politicians answer. Takes time and makes a point over an issue not relevant to the question.

03-05-2016, 02:11 PM	#31
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03-05-2016, 02:24 PM	#32
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell? Originally Posted by spkb25 Free agency is as much a crap shoot as the draft. I agree with BPA, but we need line help so hopefully the BPA is a dt We've hit on numerous free agents over the years. Greer, Lewis, Sharper, Lofton, Goodwin, Moore, Vilma, Thomas, Watson, Fujita, Shanle, KWilliams, Hargrove, Hightower, Snead, Bush, etc. it appears we have problems when we sign the splash guys like Byrd and Browner. I'd like to return to filling holes with the less expensive 2nd tier guys. We had a lot of success doing that jeanpierre and \|Mitch\| like this.

03-05-2016, 05:16 PM	#33
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell? Originally Posted by spkb25 Free agency is as much a crap shoot as the draft. I agree with BPA, but we need line help so hopefully the BPA is a dt IF Mickey is making the decisions, yes... But we do have Jeff Ireland now... As stated, this is a weak draft at several positions with defensive linemen being the only deep position... For that reason, we can wait a round to draft a lineman... And many of these linemen are two seasons away before having any significant impact... Treadwell will start and have an impact - immediately...

03-05-2016, 05:21 PM	#34
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell? Originally Posted by vpheughan Did Albert Haynseworth have a "Proven NFL Resume" when Washington signed him? He had a combined 14.5 sacks for seasons 2007 & 2008 Jarius Byrd had 22 INT's and 3 Sacks with Buffalo from 2009-20013 Is it the respective teams scouting departments fault they didnt live up to their "Proven Resume's?" Many teams didn't want anything to do with Haynesworth because of his well documented temperament... Haynesworth on the Redskins was like irritating a bad dog, taking it off its leash, and leaving it alone in the yard...
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03-05-2016, 05:41 PM	#35
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell? Originally Posted by Barry from MS I don't like Treadwell b/c he is from that college in Oxford, MS...only Archie, Deuce & William Faulkner are the only decent people to come out of that town, in my opinion. I see the logic of picking him up at 12. But I'm on the "Fix-the-Front-7" train. Hey, now...don't go hating on Mississippi... And we've got a good run with Ole Miss and we're due for another one... And I'm with you on fixing the front seven, but we only need a couple of free agents and we're there... Originally Posted by jeanpierre Adding DE Malik Jackson and NT Damon Harrison could allow us to go 3-4 or 4-3 and base front(s) could look like these... 3-4 DEFENSE RDE (2) Cameron Jordan, Bobby Richardson NT (3) *Damon Harrison, John Jenkins, Tyeler Davison LDE (2) Malik Jackson, Lawrence Virgil LEO (2) Davis Tull, Kasim Edebali WLB (2) Dannell Ellerbe, Mike Mauti MLB (2) Stephone Anthony, Jeff Luc* SLB (2) Hau'oli Kikaha, Erik Harris 4-3 DEFENSE RDE (2) Cameron Jordan, Lawrence Virgil (ERFA) DT (2) John Jenkins, Tyeler Davison NT (2) *Damon Harrison, Kaleb Eulls LDE (2) Malik Jackson, Bobby Richardson WLB (2) Dannell Ellerbe, Erik Harris* MLB (2) Stephone Anthony, Mike Mauti SLB (3) Hau'oli Kikaha, Kasim Edebali, Davis Tull Projected Starter Reserve/Injured Reserve/Future Now, it looks like Jackson is pricing himself out of the market; personally, I'd offer what we're paying Jordan, but Jackson's agent reportedly turned down 12 mil per year... So, we may have to look at next tier guys; point is, we do not have to throw the entire draft at the defense...
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell? We're undersized on the defensive line...it's that simple... Sign some massive types (NT Damon Harrison, DE Malik Jackson, DE Cedric Thornton, DE Jarvis Jenkins) and clog that middle, collapse the pocket... We've got edge rushers already on the roster, we've just got to scheme correctly... MarchingOn likes this.

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