What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 03-04-2016, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

You draft for the future, not the present.
Brees has 2 or 3 years left.

Brees as a once in a generation type guy deserves the opportunity to go out on top. It's clear that a defense is needed to accomplish that.

Without Brees we'll need a lot more weapons than we currently have.

There is no guarantee that Treadwell, or any other offensive skill player, can carry an offense without an elite QB.

He could be a much higher rated prospect than any of the defenders left at 12.

He certainly would. But does that really justify making a BPA pick, especially with the marked disparity between the offensive and defensive production of this team?

This draft is deep with D-linemen. We can still draft some talented defenders from the 2nd round on.

Talented is one thing. Impactful or elite is another. That's why I'm asking are there elite defensive players in this draft that should be the focus of discussion?

Oh, and numerous folks are talking defense. DE's DT's OLB's, CB's. Its not like defense isn't being discussed.

And yet thread after thread has pictures of #1 from Ole Miss with the caption "We need to get this guy."

Really? Do we?

SFIAH

Danno · 03-04-2016, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

And yet thread after thread has pictures of #1 from Ole Miss with the caption "We need to get this guy."

Really? Do we?

SFIAH

I'm not really seeing that. I saw a couple, but its not like every other thread has a Treadwell pic.

But I don't think its gonna be an issue. Like you said, he probably won't be there at 12, and even if he is there will probably still be a couple elite defenders left. It would take a near perfect storm for him to be the pick at 12.

WillSaints81 · 03-06-2016, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Brees as a once in a generation type guy deserves the opportunity to go out on top. It's clear that a defense is needed to accomplish that.

There is no guarantee that Treadwell, or any other offensive skill player, can carry an offense without an elite QB.

He certainly would. But does that really justify making a BPA pick, especially with the marked disparity between the offensive and defensive production of this team?

Talented is one thing. Impactful or elite is another. That's why I'm asking are there elite defensive players in this draft that should be the focus of discussion?

And yet thread after thread has pictures of #1 from Ole Miss with the caption "We need to get this guy."

Really? Do we?

SFIAH

What if Cooks gets hurt? Then what?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 03-07-2016, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

What if Cooks gets hurt? Then what?

Next receiver up. Ask the same question: "What if Brees gets hurt?"

Are we going to spend 1st round pick on a QB because of that possibility?

I also want to spend a minute countering the argument that we cannot go into the season with Cooks, Snead, and Cooks as our top three receivers. Last year Cooks and Snead combined for nearly 2000 yards and 9 TDs. These are respectable numbers. Coleman contributed nearly another 500 yards and another 2 TDs.

I admit the open question is whether or not Coleman can pick up the slack left by Colston last year (45 catches, 520 yards, 4 TD).. But if those numbers are distributed between the receivers and the TE position (Watson's career 69 catches, 984 yards, and 3 TDs) Then there's no reason to think that the Saints traditional passing game isn't going to be productive.

Finally let us not forget that the most prolific and productive receivers the Saints has ever had was a 7th round pick 10 years ago. Also the Saints spent a #1 pick at WR just two years ago.

The only offensive position the Saints should consider spending a high draft pick on is guard. And even the highest rated guards in this draft have mid-2nd to 3rd round grades.

SFIAH

WillSaints81 · 03-07-2016, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Next receiver up. Ask the same question: "What if Brees gets hurt?"

Are we going to spend 1st round pick on a QB because of that possibility?

I also want to spend a minute countering the argument that we cannot go into the season with Cooks, Snead, and Cooks as our top three receivers. Last year Cooks and Snead combined for nearly 2000 yards and 9 TDs. These are respectable numbers. Coleman contributed nearly another 500 yards and another 2 TDs.

I admit the open question is whether or not Coleman can pick up the slack left by Colston last year (45 catches, 520 yards, 4 TD).. But if those numbers are distributed between the receivers and the TE position (Watson's career 69 catches, 984 yards, and 3 TDs) Then there's no reason to think that the Saints traditional passing game isn't going to be productive.

Finally let us not forget that the most prolific and productive receivers the Saints has ever had was a 7th round pick 10 years ago. Also the Saints spent a #1 pick at WR just two years ago.

The only offensive position the Saints should consider spending a high draft pick on is guard. And even the highest rated guards in this draft have mid-2nd to 3rd round grades.

SFIAH

You can't guarantee the offense can be as good if Cooks gets hurt. Because we sucked when Cooks went down in 14. I mean our oline was a problem all year long but that was the point where we really began to have even more problems. And this has not much to do with Colston, really. He wasn't getting enough snaps and targets to make an impact. But as someone said we don't improve defense at the expense of why Sean is here. Close games are not won by the same team every week and there is no defense for a perfect catch. We are not gonna stop Aaron Rodgers from making those last minute TD passes more than Arizona and Detroit did, who allowed one each last year. I don't want close games because of things like that. The thing is keep working on repairing the offense and plug some defensive holes each year.

And honestly scoring a lot of points last year in those games did not look easy, it had to be an effort because two of the games came off adjustments and not being able to score at will against the titans than the jets last year is a serious problem. Guards will help but by how much.

Either way we know SP is looking into the receiving anyway given the source report about M Thomas.

03-04-2016, 01:21 PM	#1
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,781	Re: What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell? Originally Posted by Danno You draft for the future, not the present. Brees has 2 or 3 years left. Brees as a once in a generation type guy deserves the opportunity to go out on top. It's clear that a defense is needed to accomplish that. Without Brees we'll need a lot more weapons than we currently have. There is no guarantee that Treadwell, or any other offensive skill player, can carry an offense without an elite QB. He could be a much higher rated prospect than any of the defenders left at 12. He certainly would. But does that really justify making a BPA pick, especially with the marked disparity between the offensive and defensive production of this team? This draft is deep with D-linemen. We can still draft some talented defenders from the 2nd round on. Talented is one thing. Impactful or elite is another. That's why I'm asking are there elite defensive players in this draft that should be the focus of discussion? Oh, and numerous folks are talking defense. DE's DT's OLB's, CB's. Its not like defense isn't being discussed. And yet thread after thread has pictures of #1 from Ole Miss with the caption "We need to get this guy." Really? Do we? SFIAH
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03-04-2016, 01:35 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Re: What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL And yet thread after thread has pictures of #1 from Ole Miss with the caption "We need to get this guy." Really? Do we? SFIAH I'm not really seeing that. I saw a couple, but its not like every other thread has a Treadwell pic. But I don't think its gonna be an issue. Like you said, he probably won't be there at 12, and even if he is there will probably still be a couple elite defenders left. It would take a near perfect storm for him to be the pick at 12.

03-06-2016, 08:26 PM	#3
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Brees as a once in a generation type guy deserves the opportunity to go out on top. It's clear that a defense is needed to accomplish that. There is no guarantee that Treadwell, or any other offensive skill player, can carry an offense without an elite QB. He certainly would. But does that really justify making a BPA pick, especially with the marked disparity between the offensive and defensive production of this team? Talented is one thing. Impactful or elite is another. That's why I'm asking are there elite defensive players in this draft that should be the focus of discussion? And yet thread after thread has pictures of #1 from Ole Miss with the caption "We need to get this guy." Really? Do we? SFIAH What if Cooks gets hurt? Then what?

03-07-2016, 09:36 AM	#4
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,781	Re: What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell? Originally Posted by WillSaints81 What if Cooks gets hurt? Then what? Next receiver up. Ask the same question: "What if Brees gets hurt?" Are we going to spend 1st round pick on a QB because of that possibility? I also want to spend a minute countering the argument that we cannot go into the season with Cooks, Snead, and Cooks as our top three receivers. Last year Cooks and Snead combined for nearly 2000 yards and 9 TDs. These are respectable numbers. Coleman contributed nearly another 500 yards and another 2 TDs. I admit the open question is whether or not Coleman can pick up the slack left by Colston last year (45 catches, 520 yards, 4 TD).. But if those numbers are distributed between the receivers and the TE position (Watson's career 69 catches, 984 yards, and 3 TDs) Then there's no reason to think that the Saints traditional passing game isn't going to be productive. Finally let us not forget that the most prolific and productive receivers the Saints has ever had was a 7th round pick 10 years ago. Also the Saints spent a #1 pick at WR just two years ago. The only offensive position the Saints should consider spending a high draft pick on is guard. And even the highest rated guards in this draft have mid-2nd to 3rd round grades. SFIAH hagan714 likes this.
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03-07-2016, 07:39 PM	#5
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Next receiver up. Ask the same question: "What if Brees gets hurt?" Are we going to spend 1st round pick on a QB because of that possibility? I also want to spend a minute countering the argument that we cannot go into the season with Cooks, Snead, and Cooks as our top three receivers. Last year Cooks and Snead combined for nearly 2000 yards and 9 TDs. These are respectable numbers. Coleman contributed nearly another 500 yards and another 2 TDs. I admit the open question is whether or not Coleman can pick up the slack left by Colston last year (45 catches, 520 yards, 4 TD).. But if those numbers are distributed between the receivers and the TE position (Watson's career 69 catches, 984 yards, and 3 TDs) Then there's no reason to think that the Saints traditional passing game isn't going to be productive. Finally let us not forget that the most prolific and productive receivers the Saints has ever had was a 7th round pick 10 years ago. Also the Saints spent a #1 pick at WR just two years ago. The only offensive position the Saints should consider spending a high draft pick on is guard. And even the highest rated guards in this draft have mid-2nd to 3rd round grades. SFIAH You can't guarantee the offense can be as good if Cooks gets hurt. Because we sucked when Cooks went down in 14. I mean our oline was a problem all year long but that was the point where we really began to have even more problems. And this has not much to do with Colston, really. He wasn't getting enough snaps and targets to make an impact. But as someone said we don't improve defense at the expense of why Sean is here. Close games are not won by the same team every week and there is no defense for a perfect catch. We are not gonna stop Aaron Rodgers from making those last minute TD passes more than Arizona and Detroit did, who allowed one each last year. I don't want close games because of things like that. The thing is keep working on repairing the offense and plug some defensive holes each year. And honestly scoring a lot of points last year in those games did not look easy, it had to be an effort because two of the games came off adjustments and not being able to score at will against the titans than the jets last year is a serious problem. Guards will help but by how much. Either way we know SP is looking into the receiving anyway given the source report about M Thomas.

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