Saints Sign Coby Fleener 5 year deal

03-09-2016, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Stats have shown that he had 2 more TD catches in 2014(last year Colts had major injury problems at QB) than Watson had last year(his best receiving year ever) with 20 less passes thrown to and 50 less receiving yards. That pretty much proves he's better when he has a QB who can get him the ball...

I'm not really worried that Fleener had a couple of more TD's. People kept saying Josh Hill was going to be great because he scored a few td's in limited playing time. Ben Watson was more reliable this year than Fleener was for the Colts. He has kind of had the dropsies at times. He did improve last year for them, and I'm hopeful he continues an upward trend.

I did say that Ben was better THIS YEAR, for us. I recognize it was his best year, and that he is getting old. My point was that it's not really an upgrade right now, but it has more long term value, at least potentially. You never know what will happen when a player changes systems.

neugey · 03-09-2016, 08:42 PM

Maybe a little too much money, but at least we got younger. Will miss Watson's leadership big-time though.

ChrisXVI · 03-09-2016, 08:45 PM

Yikes, another bad grade:

Coby Fleener (Saints): D+

Last year, the Saints knew that they had to rebuild their offensive line and defense, even if it meant sacrificing their pass-catching tight end, so they sent Jimmy Graham to the Seahawks and acquired Max Unger and draft picks. A year later, with their offensive line struggling and their defense still a mess, it seems like they just gave up and went after a less impressive receiving tight end. Fleener isn't close to Graham's equal as a field-stretching receiver, and the Saints did just fine without that sort of weapon in their offense last year, turning Ben Watson into a viable tight end. After losing Watson to the Ravens, the Saints took what precious little cap space they had and decided to use it on Fleener's five-year, $36-million deal. It's reminiscent of their bizarre decision to invest heavily in running backs (of all things) last year, and speaks to just how flawed the organizational process has gotten in New Orleans.

spkb25 · 03-09-2016, 08:46 PM

50 catches with Indy means drew will get him 75-80 and 900 yards

rezburna · 03-09-2016, 08:48 PM

We have more cap space then these folks realize.

blackangold · 03-09-2016, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

We have more cap space then these folks realize.

Just because you have cap space doesn't mean you should go blow it on mid-tier talent that could have been acquired for 3mil Less per year...

jonnyrotten · 03-09-2016, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Yikes, another bad grade:

Coby Fleener (Saints): D+

Last year, the Saints knew that they had to rebuild their offensive line and defense, even if it meant sacrificing their pass-catching tight end, so they sent Jimmy Graham to the Seahawks and acquired Max Unger and draft picks. A year later, with their offensive line struggling and their defense still a mess, it seems like they just gave up and went after a less impressive receiving tight end. Fleener isn't close to Graham's equal as a field-stretching receiver, and the Saints did just fine without that sort of weapon in their offense last year, turning Ben Watson into a viable tight end. After losing Watson to the Ravens, the Saints took what precious little cap space they had and decided to use it on Fleener's five-year, $36-million deal. It's reminiscent of their bizarre decision to invest heavily in running backs (of all things) last year, and speaks to just how flawed the organizational process has gotten in New Orleans.

Couldn't have said it better myself. This decision is mind boggling. I have officially lost faith in Loomis with these continual awful FA decisions and contracts.

|Mitch| · 03-09-2016, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Just because you have cap space doesn't mean you should go blow it on mid-tier talent that could have been acquired for 3mil Less per year...

Im just curious which tight end you would sign for 3 million or less?

jonnyrotten · 03-09-2016, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Im just curious which tight end you would sign for 3 million or less?

FLEENER!

Pete · 03-09-2016, 08:53 PM

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03-09-2016, 08:38 PM	#51
Threaded by burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Stats have shown that he had 2 more TD catches in 2014(last year Colts had major injury problems at QB) than Watson had last year(his best receiving year ever) with 20 less passes thrown to and 50 less receiving yards. That pretty much proves he's better when he has a QB who can get him the ball... I'm not really worried that Fleener had a couple of more TD's. People kept saying Josh Hill was going to be great because he scored a few td's in limited playing time. Ben Watson was more reliable this year than Fleener was for the Colts. He has kind of had the dropsies at times. He did improve last year for them, and I'm hopeful he continues an upward trend. I did say that Ben was better THIS YEAR, for us. I recognize it was his best year, and that he is getting old. My point was that it's not really an upgrade right now, but it has more long term value, at least potentially. You never know what will happen when a player changes systems.
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03-09-2016, 08:42 PM	#52
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Saints Sign Coby Fleener 5 year deal Maybe a little too much money, but at least we got younger. Will miss Watson's leadership big-time though.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Saints Sign Coby Fleener 5 year deal Yikes, another bad grade: Coby Fleener (Saints): D+ Last year, the Saints knew that they had to rebuild their offensive line and defense, even if it meant sacrificing their pass-catching tight end, so they sent Jimmy Graham to the Seahawks and acquired Max Unger and draft picks. A year later, with their offensive line struggling and their defense still a mess, it seems like they just gave up and went after a less impressive receiving tight end. Fleener isn't close to Graham's equal as a field-stretching receiver, and the Saints did just fine without that sort of weapon in their offense last year, turning Ben Watson into a viable tight end. After losing Watson to the Ravens, the Saints took what precious little cap space they had and decided to use it on Fleener's five-year, $36-million deal. It's reminiscent of their bizarre decision to invest heavily in running backs (of all things) last year, and speaks to just how flawed the organizational process has gotten in New Orleans. jonnyrotten and blackangold like this.
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03-09-2016, 08:49 PM	#56
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints Sign Coby Fleener 5 year deal Originally Posted by rezburna We have more cap space then these folks realize. Just because you have cap space doesn't mean you should go blow it on mid-tier talent that could have been acquired for 3mil Less per year... jonnyrotten and brees84 like this.

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jonnyrotten 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nashville Posts: 511	Re: Saints Sign Coby Fleener 5 year deal Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Yikes, another bad grade: Coby Fleener (Saints): D+ Last year, the Saints knew that they had to rebuild their offensive line and defense, even if it meant sacrificing their pass-catching tight end, so they sent Jimmy Graham to the Seahawks and acquired Max Unger and draft picks. A year later, with their offensive line struggling and their defense still a mess, it seems like they just gave up and went after a less impressive receiving tight end. Fleener isn't close to Graham's equal as a field-stretching receiver, and the Saints did just fine without that sort of weapon in their offense last year, turning Ben Watson into a viable tight end. After losing Watson to the Ravens, the Saints took what precious little cap space they had and decided to use it on Fleener's five-year, $36-million deal. It's reminiscent of their bizarre decision to invest heavily in running backs (of all things) last year, and speaks to just how flawed the organizational process has gotten in New Orleans. Couldn't have said it better myself. This decision is mind boggling. I have officially lost faith in Loomis with these continual awful FA decisions and contracts.

03-09-2016, 08:51 PM	#58
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Saints Sign Coby Fleener 5 year deal Originally Posted by blackangold Just because you have cap space doesn't mean you should go blow it on mid-tier talent that could have been acquired for 3mil Less per year... Im just curious which tight end you would sign for 3 million or less?

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jonnyrotten 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nashville Posts: 511	Re: Saints Sign Coby Fleener 5 year deal Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Im just curious which tight end you would sign for 3 million or less? FLEENER! Utah_Saint likes this.

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