Saints Sign Coby Fleener 5 year deal

RaginCajun83 · 03-09-2016, 08:21 PM

Redzone target signed, now grab a OG and a defensive lineman of two and they are set for BPA through out the draft

jonnyrotten · 03-09-2016, 08:24 PM

BTW Mitch that is 200 posts since 2004, a solid 16 or so posts a year.

AllSaints · 03-09-2016, 09:06 PM

The Fleener haters .... Come about mid season I have a feeling y'all will be buying this guys jersey Lol

Mr.Riaton · 03-09-2016, 09:14 PM

I still would've rather them spend the money on D line or O line. I think we could've got by with the TE's we have...maybe another cheap one for depth. I guess they have big plans for the draft.

AsylumGuido · 03-09-2016, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

I still would've rather them spend the money on D line or O line. I think we could've got by with the TE's we have...maybe another cheap one for depth. I guess they have big plans for the draft.

There are buttloads of cash left. We could not have gotten by with the TE's we had when we knew Ben Watson, who the team loved, could make more elsewhere and deserved better, and the rest of our TE's couldn't find their own tight end to wipe after crapping. Fleener has the talent to be a standout with the Saints.

But,i agree that the Saints ALSO have big plans for the draft. Last year's big acquisition in the front office can truly show his worth.

Saint in Aus · 03-09-2016, 09:22 PM

So what dead money comes off our list in 2017?

Structured nicely if you ask me. Hardly touches our cap this year which means we can go after more.

AsylumGuido · 03-09-2016, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by Saint in Aus

So what dead money comes off our list in 2017?

Structured nicely if you ask me. Hardly touches our cap this year which means we can go after more.

Yes, nicely structured. but all this talk of dead money means little. New TV deals will continue to help the cap rise at a huge rate for the foreseeable future. Loomis was one of the very few who saw this coming. But then again, he is one of the very few that is trained in the discipline to anticipate these adjustments.

That vast majority of GM's in the NFL are talent oriented with little or no clue of economics or accounting principles. They are primarily personnel driven. Loomis was schooled as an accountant. He knows how to maximize something as simple as a cap. He knows how to to work contracts through cost and management accounting concepts that most cannot understand.

My degree is in accounting and I was among the top of my class. I have always understood what he was doing and he is brilliant. The whole ongoing farce of the Saints being in "cap hell" in based upon a totally uneducated media feeding an equally uneducated public.

Saint in Aus · 03-09-2016, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yes, nicely structured. but all this talk of dead money means little. New TV deals will continue to help the cap rise at a huge rate for the foreseeable future. Loomis was one of the very few who saw this coming. But then again, he is one of the very few that is trained in the discipline to anticipate these adjustments.

That vast majority of GM's in the NFL are talent oriented with little or no clue of economics or accounting principles. They are primarily personnel driven. Loomis was schooled as an accountant. He knows how to maximize something as simple as a cap. He knows how to to work contracts through cost and management accounting concepts that most cannot understand.

My degree is in accounting and I was among the top of my class. I have always understood what he was doing and he is brilliant. The whole ongoing farce of the Saints being in "cap hell" in based upon a totally uneducated media feeding an equally uneducated public.

Does his signing bonus count toward this year's cap?

AsylumGuido · 03-09-2016, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by Saint in Aus

Does his signing bonus count toward this year's cap?

No. Signing bonuses are always applied proportionately over the remaining contract per year.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 03-10-2016, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Saint in Aus

Does his signing bonus count toward this year's cap?

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

No. Signing bonuses are always applied proportionately over the remaining contract per year.

Since it's $8 million over 5 years, that means that $1.6million will be applied to this year's cap. Coupled with the $800k salary, the total cap number for 2016 is $2.4 million.

So this ends up being a 2 year "show me" contract at about $14 million. If Fleener pans out, then the Saints guarantee another $3.4 million in 2018. If not, then the Saints cuts Fleener and end out paying out $14 million for 2 years of services rendered.

I'm not thrilled. I would have thought that the brain trust would have figured out by now that the path to a championship in the short term isn't by generating more offense. Championships are not won by teams winning 52-49.

But we will see...

SFIAH

03-09-2016, 08:21 PM	#1
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Saints Sign Coby Fleener 5 year deal Redzone target signed, now grab a OG and a defensive lineman of two and they are set for BPA through out the draft Rugby Saint II likes this.

03-09-2016, 08:24 PM	#2
jonnyrotten 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nashville Posts: 512	Re: Saints Sign Coby Fleener 5 year deal BTW Mitch that is 200 posts since 2004, a solid 16 or so posts a year.

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AllSaints Breakin Records Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deville, Louisiana Posts: 2,167	Re: Saints Sign Coby Fleener 5 year deal The Fleener haters .... Come about mid season I have a feeling y'all will be buying this guys jersey Lol RaginCajun83 likes this.

03-09-2016, 09:14 PM	#4
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: Saints Sign Coby Fleener 5 year deal I still would've rather them spend the money on D line or O line. I think we could've got by with the TE's we have...maybe another cheap one for depth. I guess they have big plans for the draft. saintshrimp likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints Sign Coby Fleener 5 year deal Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton I still would've rather them spend the money on D line or O line. I think we could've got by with the TE's we have...maybe another cheap one for depth. I guess they have big plans for the draft. There are buttloads of cash left. We could not have gotten by with the TE's we had when we knew Ben Watson, who the team loved, could make more elsewhere and deserved better, and the rest of our TE's couldn't find their own tight end to wipe after crapping. Fleener has the talent to be a standout with the Saints. But,i agree that the Saints ALSO have big plans for the draft. Last year's big acquisition in the front office can truly show his worth.

03-09-2016, 09:22 PM	#6
Saint in Aus 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 468	Re: Saints Sign Coby Fleener 5 year deal So what dead money comes off our list in 2017? Structured nicely if you ask me. Hardly touches our cap this year which means we can go after more.

03-09-2016, 09:37 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints Sign Coby Fleener 5 year deal Originally Posted by Saint in Aus So what dead money comes off our list in 2017? Structured nicely if you ask me. Hardly touches our cap this year which means we can go after more. Yes, nicely structured. but all this talk of dead money means little. New TV deals will continue to help the cap rise at a huge rate for the foreseeable future. Loomis was one of the very few who saw this coming. But then again, he is one of the very few that is trained in the discipline to anticipate these adjustments. That vast majority of GM's in the NFL are talent oriented with little or no clue of economics or accounting principles. They are primarily personnel driven. Loomis was schooled as an accountant. He knows how to maximize something as simple as a cap. He knows how to to work contracts through cost and management accounting concepts that most cannot understand. My degree is in accounting and I was among the top of my class. I have always understood what he was doing and he is brilliant. The whole ongoing farce of the Saints being in "cap hell" in based upon a totally uneducated media feeding an equally uneducated public. RaginCajun83, Rugby Saint II and Saint in Aus like this.

03-09-2016, 09:40 PM	#8
Saint in Aus 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 468	Re: Saints Sign Coby Fleener 5 year deal Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yes, nicely structured. but all this talk of dead money means little. New TV deals will continue to help the cap rise at a huge rate for the foreseeable future. Loomis was one of the very few who saw this coming. But then again, he is one of the very few that is trained in the discipline to anticipate these adjustments. That vast majority of GM's in the NFL are talent oriented with little or no clue of economics or accounting principles. They are primarily personnel driven. Loomis was schooled as an accountant. He knows how to maximize something as simple as a cap. He knows how to to work contracts through cost and management accounting concepts that most cannot understand. My degree is in accounting and I was among the top of my class. I have always understood what he was doing and he is brilliant. The whole ongoing farce of the Saints being in "cap hell" in based upon a totally uneducated media feeding an equally uneducated public. Does his signing bonus count toward this year's cap?

03-09-2016, 11:36 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints Sign Coby Fleener 5 year deal Originally Posted by Saint in Aus Does his signing bonus count toward this year's cap? No. Signing bonuses are always applied proportionately over the remaining contract per year.

03-10-2016, 07:15 AM	#10
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Saints Sign Coby Fleener 5 year deal Originally Posted by Saint in Aus Does his signing bonus count toward this year's cap? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No. Signing bonuses are always applied proportionately over the remaining contract per year. Since it's $8 million over 5 years, that means that $1.6million will be applied to this year's cap. Coupled with the $800k salary, the total cap number for 2016 is $2.4 million. So this ends up being a 2 year "show me" contract at about $14 million. If Fleener pans out, then the Saints guarantee another $3.4 million in 2018. If not, then the Saints cuts Fleener and end out paying out $14 million for 2 years of services rendered. I'm not thrilled. I would have thought that the brain trust would have figured out by now that the path to a championship in the short term isn't by generating more offense. Championships are not won by teams winning 52-49. But we will see... SFIAH
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