Notes and observations from Thursday’s organized team activity

AsylumGuido · 06-05-2016, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

But this site is for Saints football and salaries are part of that.

Of course salaries are part of it. But they are a given, a piece of negotiated fact based upon the economic environment. They cannot be right or wrong. They are what they are. They are simply a factor, albeit not as important a factor as many, many others and far from instrumental in the success of a team.

spkb25 · 06-05-2016, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

Says me and remember opinions are objective and everyone has one.

There's less than 3,000 people in the entire world that can play professional football. He plays the position that is considered the most important on the field and generally is the highest paid. He does this as one of the absolute best in the game.

The marketplace decides value.
But unless you're writing checks it doesn't really matter...

AsylumGuido · 06-05-2016, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by frydaddy

Dunno why anyone gives him the time of day. He's just a crotchety old fella who gets his jollies by trolling anyone and everyone he disagrees with. Save yourself some time and ignore him. He'll never admit or acknowledge that he's wrong for his behavior, and he'll certainly never respect anyone else's opinion.

He will, of course, disagree with all of this.

No, I won't agree with every opinion as I seldom voice an opinion myself. But, I will stridently disagree with anything presented as fact when it has nothing to do with fact and actual fact belies what is being presented.

jnormand · 06-05-2016, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

No. Not starting again, I haven't stopped. I just finally got fed up with the uneducated bullcrap that a few of you are spreading concerning Brees, contracts and the Saints cap. I understand the truth is hard to take especially when it makes some of you feel so good bashing the greatest player in Saints history based upon totally false drivel. And, no, I not calling anyone illogical or stupid compared to me. I am calling them illogical with stupid arguments compared to any person that is logical and half way intelligent. Is it hitting close to home?

No it's not "hitting close to home". I actually agree with you most of the time you arrogant pompous ass. I was only rolling my eyes because your constant berating of other posters is annoying.

I'm done with this convo.

CheramieIII · 06-05-2016, 04:09 PM

NO COMMENT! ROFLMAO where's JoeSam when we need him.

AsylumGuido · 06-05-2016, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

No it's not "hitting close to home". I actually agree with you most of the time you arrogant pompous ass. I was only rolling my eyes because your constant berating of other posters is annoying.

I'm done with this convo.

This weekend's "beratings" of a handful of individuals have been nothing more than calling out those that have been erroneously "berating" Brees here over the past few days. I understand opinions are opinions, but if y'all want others that truly care about facts to respect your opinions then give some sort of basis in fact. Half of what I have been hearing has been no more valid than saying, "It is my opinion that the sun rises in the west". It is hard to determine whether the person posting the opinion is truly that dense or simply too lazy to spend a few minutes trying to discover the facts. I hope it is the second.

I understand your being tired of me being a pompous ass. What you need to understand is that I, and a number of others, are sick and tired of the same small circle here being such whiny, little *****y asses. Every damned thread turns into a Brees bash fest. It doesn't matter what the original subject begins as, one of the same few twist it around and attempt to blast Brees for being a greedy, manipulating self-absorbed player that they would rather see elsewhere.

Come on, tell me I'm wrong. It has become an old and tired theme that I have gotten fed up with. Therefore, I am calling out every individual that throws out the same load of crap. If that makes me pompous, fine.

CheramieIII · 06-05-2016, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

This weekend's "beratings" of a handful of individuals have been nothing more than calling out those that have been erroneously "berating" Brees here over the past few days. I understand opinions are opinions, but if y'all want others that truly care about facts to respect your opinions then give some sort of basis in fact. Half of what I have been hearing has been no more valid than saying, "It is my opinion that the sun rises in the west". It is hard to determine whether the person posting the opinion is truly that dense or simply too lazy to spend a few minutes trying to discover the facts. I hope it is the second.

I understand your being tired of me being a pompous ass. What you need to understand is that I, and a number of others, are sick and tired of the same small circle here being such whiny, little *****y asses. Every damned thread turns into a Brees bash fest. It doesn't matter what the original subject begins as, one of the same few twist it around and attempt to blast Brees for being a greedy, manipulating self-absorbed player that they would rather see elsewhere.

Come on, tell me I'm wrong. It has become an old and tired theme that I have gotten fed up with. Therefore, I am calling out every individual that throws out the same load of crap. If that makes me pompous, fine.

Come on Asylum, no one was "berating" Drew, maybe criticizing but not in a angry way rather just an opinion on what he should do, but when someone disagrees you become angry and start throwing names and insults around like candy at a parade. Calling names won't get you anywhere but get others pissed and if you intend to incite then you're on your way.

and I wasn't originally talking about Brees but mentioned him in the comment about Grayson but I gave too much of an opinion including Brees and that seemed to be the problem with you. There's that opinion thing again.

You talk of respect? Really!

spkb25 · 06-05-2016, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

Come on Asylum, no one was "berating" Drew, maybe criticizing but not in a angry way rather just an opinion on what he should do,

What he should do? I am so confused...Drew has nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing to do with our cap troubles. There is as much in dead money as his salary. He is the tenth highest paid QB in the league... like seriously, give it up dude. Admit you were wrong and move on.

Joe Flacco
Ravens
$66,400,000 $22,133,333 $44,000,000 $14,666,667 66.3% 2022 UFA
Aaron Rodgers
Packers
$110,000,000 $22,000,000 $54,000,000 $10,800,000 49.1% 2020 UFA
Russell Wilson
Seahawks
$87,600,000 $21,900,000 $31,700,000 $7,925,000 36.2% 2020 UFA
Ben Roethlisberger
Steelers
$87,400,000 $21,850,000 $34,250,000 $8,562,500 39.2% 2020 UFA
Eli Manning
Giants
$84,000,000 $21,000,000 $36,500,000 $9,125,000 43.5% 2020 UFA
Philip Rivers
Chargers
$83,250,000 $20,812,500 $37,500,000 $9,375,000 45.0% 2020 UFA
Cam Newton
Panthers
$103,800,000 $20,760,000 $41,000,000 $8,200,000 39.5% 2021 UFA
Matt Ryan
Falcons
$103,750,000 $20,750,000 $42,000,000 $8,400,000 40.5% 2019 UFA
Tom Brady
Patriots
$41,000,000 $20,500,000 $28,000,000 $14,000,000 68.3% 2020 UFA
Drew Brees
Saints
$100,000,000 $20,000,000 $40,000,000 $8,000,000 40.0% 2017 UFA

Ryan Tannehill makes 750,000 less than drew per year on the average of their contracts...r u absolutely kidding me

25 million per year for four years would be a ****ing bargain.

Danno · 06-05-2016, 06:25 PM

25 seems about right. Saints probably want a bit under that, Drew probably wants a bit more than that.

Thats how it works and thats probably what will eventually happen.

The real debate is for how long, and how much guaranteed.

Both sides have some leverage.

Drew doesn't wanna risk injury or decline so its in his best interest to strike while the iron is hot. His current market value is likely maxed out right now, or very close to it.

The Saints don't wanna risk him having an MVP season with no signs of decline, upping his market value significantly and being out-bid for his final 2 or 3 years.

spkb25 · 06-05-2016, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

25 seems about right. Saints probably want a bit under that, Drew probably wants a bit more than that.

Thats how it works and thats probably what will eventually happen.

The real debate is for how long, and how much guaranteed.

Both sides have some leverage.

Drew doesn't wanna risk injury or decline so its in his best interest to strike while the iron is hot. His current market value is likely maxed out right now, or very close to it.

The Saints don't wanna risk him having an MVP season with no signs of decline, upping his market value significantly and being out-bid for his final 2 or 3 years.

Yep length and guaranteed, but we will probably need to make 50-60% guaranteed. It is for sure going to be in the 22-25m per year range

06-05-2016, 03:13 PM	#31
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Notes and observations from Thursday’s organized team activity Originally Posted by CheramieIII But this site is for Saints football and salaries are part of that. Of course salaries are part of it. But they are a given, a piece of negotiated fact based upon the economic environment. They cannot be right or wrong. They are what they are. They are simply a factor, albeit not as important a factor as many, many others and far from instrumental in the success of a team.

06-05-2016, 03:15 PM	#32
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Notes and observations from Thursday’s organized team activity Originally Posted by CheramieIII Says me and remember opinions are objective and everyone has one. There's less than 3,000 people in the entire world that can play professional football. He plays the position that is considered the most important on the field and generally is the highest paid. He does this as one of the absolute best in the game. The marketplace decides value. But unless you're writing checks it doesn't really matter... SaintFanInATLHELL, CheramieIII and AsylumGuido like this.

06-05-2016, 03:16 PM	#33
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Notes and observations from Thursday’s organized team activity Originally Posted by frydaddy Dunno why anyone gives him the time of day. He's just a crotchety old fella who gets his jollies by trolling anyone and everyone he disagrees with. Save yourself some time and ignore him. He'll never admit or acknowledge that he's wrong for his behavior, and he'll certainly never respect anyone else's opinion. He will, of course, disagree with all of this. No, I won't agree with every opinion as I seldom voice an opinion myself. But, I will stridently disagree with anything presented as fact when it has nothing to do with fact and actual fact belies what is being presented. spkb25 likes this.

06-05-2016, 03:51 PM	#34
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,662	Re: Notes and observations from Thursday’s organized team activity Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No. Not starting again, I haven't stopped. I just finally got fed up with the uneducated bullcrap that a few of you are spreading concerning Brees, contracts and the Saints cap. I understand the truth is hard to take especially when it makes some of you feel so good bashing the greatest player in Saints history based upon totally false drivel. And, no, I not calling anyone illogical or stupid compared to me. I am calling them illogical with stupid arguments compared to any person that is logical and half way intelligent. Is it hitting close to home? No it's not "hitting close to home". I actually agree with you most of the time you arrogant pompous ass. I was only rolling my eyes because your constant berating of other posters is annoying. I'm done with this convo. dizzle88 likes this.

06-05-2016, 04:09 PM	#35
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06-05-2016, 04:21 PM	#36
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Notes and observations from Thursday’s organized team activity Originally Posted by jnormand No it's not "hitting close to home". I actually agree with you most of the time you arrogant pompous ass. I was only rolling my eyes because your constant berating of other posters is annoying. I'm done with this convo. This weekend's "beratings" of a handful of individuals have been nothing more than calling out those that have been erroneously "berating" Brees here over the past few days. I understand opinions are opinions, but if y'all want others that truly care about facts to respect your opinions then give some sort of basis in fact. Half of what I have been hearing has been no more valid than saying, "It is my opinion that the sun rises in the west". It is hard to determine whether the person posting the opinion is truly that dense or simply too lazy to spend a few minutes trying to discover the facts. I hope it is the second. I understand your being tired of me being a pompous ass. What you need to understand is that I, and a number of others, are sick and tired of the same small circle here being such whiny, little *****y asses. Every damned thread turns into a Brees bash fest. It doesn't matter what the original subject begins as, one of the same few twist it around and attempt to blast Brees for being a greedy, manipulating self-absorbed player that they would rather see elsewhere. Come on, tell me I'm wrong. It has become an old and tired theme that I have gotten fed up with. Therefore, I am calling out every individual that throws out the same load of crap. If that makes me pompous, fine.

06-05-2016, 04:45 PM	#37
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Notes and observations from Thursday’s organized team activity Originally Posted by AsylumGuido This weekend's "beratings" of a handful of individuals have been nothing more than calling out those that have been erroneously "berating" Brees here over the past few days. I understand opinions are opinions, but if y'all want others that truly care about facts to respect your opinions then give some sort of basis in fact. Half of what I have been hearing has been no more valid than saying, "It is my opinion that the sun rises in the west". It is hard to determine whether the person posting the opinion is truly that dense or simply too lazy to spend a few minutes trying to discover the facts. I hope it is the second. I understand your being tired of me being a pompous ass. What you need to understand is that I, and a number of others, are sick and tired of the same small circle here being such whiny, little *****y asses. Every damned thread turns into a Brees bash fest. It doesn't matter what the original subject begins as, one of the same few twist it around and attempt to blast Brees for being a greedy, manipulating self-absorbed player that they would rather see elsewhere. Come on, tell me I'm wrong. It has become an old and tired theme that I have gotten fed up with. Therefore, I am calling out every individual that throws out the same load of crap. If that makes me pompous, fine. Come on Asylum, no one was "berating" Drew, maybe criticizing but not in a angry way rather just an opinion on what he should do, but when someone disagrees you become angry and start throwing names and insults around like candy at a parade. Calling names won't get you anywhere but get others pissed and if you intend to incite then you're on your way. and I wasn't originally talking about Brees but mentioned him in the comment about Grayson but I gave too much of an opinion including Brees and that seemed to be the problem with you. There's that opinion thing again. You talk of respect? Really! dizzle88 and halloween 65 like this.
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06-05-2016, 06:17 PM	#38
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Notes and observations from Thursday’s organized team activity Originally Posted by CheramieIII Come on Asylum, no one was "berating" Drew, maybe criticizing but not in a angry way rather just an opinion on what he should do, What he should do? I am so confused...Drew has nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing to do with our cap troubles. There is as much in dead money as his salary. He is the tenth highest paid QB in the league... like seriously, give it up dude. Admit you were wrong and move on. Joe Flacco Ravens $66,400,000 $22,133,333 $44,000,000 $14,666,667 66.3% 2022 UFA Aaron Rodgers Packers $110,000,000 $22,000,000 $54,000,000 $10,800,000 49.1% 2020 UFA Russell Wilson Seahawks $87,600,000 $21,900,000 $31,700,000 $7,925,000 36.2% 2020 UFA Ben Roethlisberger Steelers $87,400,000 $21,850,000 $34,250,000 $8,562,500 39.2% 2020 UFA Eli Manning Giants $84,000,000 $21,000,000 $36,500,000 $9,125,000 43.5% 2020 UFA Philip Rivers Chargers $83,250,000 $20,812,500 $37,500,000 $9,375,000 45.0% 2020 UFA Cam Newton Panthers $103,800,000 $20,760,000 $41,000,000 $8,200,000 39.5% 2021 UFA Matt Ryan Falcons $103,750,000 $20,750,000 $42,000,000 $8,400,000 40.5% 2019 UFA Tom Brady Patriots $41,000,000 $20,500,000 $28,000,000 $14,000,000 68.3% 2020 UFA Drew Brees Saints $100,000,000 $20,000,000 $40,000,000 $8,000,000 40.0% 2017 UFA Ryan Tannehill makes 750,000 less than drew per year on the average of their contracts...r u absolutely kidding me 25 million per year for four years would be a ****ing bargain. SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.
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06-05-2016, 06:25 PM	#39
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Notes and observations from Thursday’s organized team activity 25 seems about right. Saints probably want a bit under that, Drew probably wants a bit more than that. Thats how it works and thats probably what will eventually happen. The real debate is for how long, and how much guaranteed. Both sides have some leverage. Drew doesn't wanna risk injury or decline so its in his best interest to strike while the iron is hot. His current market value is likely maxed out right now, or very close to it. The Saints don't wanna risk him having an MVP season with no signs of decline, upping his market value significantly and being out-bid for his final 2 or 3 years.

06-05-2016, 06:36 PM	#40
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Notes and observations from Thursday’s organized team activity Originally Posted by Danno 25 seems about right. Saints probably want a bit under that, Drew probably wants a bit more than that. Thats how it works and thats probably what will eventually happen. The real debate is for how long, and how much guaranteed. Both sides have some leverage. Drew doesn't wanna risk injury or decline so its in his best interest to strike while the iron is hot. His current market value is likely maxed out right now, or very close to it. The Saints don't wanna risk him having an MVP season with no signs of decline, upping his market value significantly and being out-bid for his final 2 or 3 years. Yep length and guaranteed, but we will probably need to make 50-60% guaranteed. It is for sure going to be in the 22-25m per year range

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