Khiry Robinson and Lance Moore - Cop Haters

jnormand · 07-10-2016, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Show me one "cold blooded killing". I will destroy any arguement you put fourth. People always want to "put themselves in the blacks shoes". How about putting yourself in the officers shoes? Better yet, put yourself in my shoes. Try being a minority and a officer.

Exactly. A lot of people are quick to jump on the race train and call officers killers and racists. But no one ever wants to wait until everything is done and find out if the officers reacted the right way or not. Ferguson- the officer was cleared and the "hands up don't shoot" thing was a lie that never actually happened. The media and people everywhere wanted the officer charged with murder. After it was done he was cleared, the only attention it got was the people rioting.

Don't get me started on Baltimore. The DA could lose her license for withholding evidence and wrongful prosecution of the officers.

I'm not saying there aren't bad officers, but 99% of us are doing it the right way and get pissed when an officer makes the rest of us look bad. It hurts us all.

People just need to wait and the media needs to stop getting a rise out of everyone. This has gotten out of control.

And there aren't any of us that wake up and strap on our gear and "Gee I sure hope I get to shoot someone today."

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-11-2016, 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Show me one "cold blooded killing". I will destroy any arguement you put fourth.

I have to agree for the most part. Calling it "cold blooded killing" is both disingenouous and unhelpful. The most recent one that may be subject to debate is the shooting death of Walter Scott in South Carolina last year. But I don't even want to go there.

People always want to "put themselves in the blacks shoes". How about putting yourself in the officers shoes? Better yet, put yourself in my shoes. Try being a minority and a officer.

Can you help frame this for us then? While I agree that "cold blood" isn't on the table, it would be helpful to understand the thought processes that lead to the snap judgement to discharge a firearm into a citizen. Given what you have seen and heard about these two incidents how could each have ended differently? To the average person it seems unjustified because it doesn't seem like there is an obvious threat that demands lethal force in response. Is there another perspective that you can offer?

SFIAH

voodooido · 07-11-2016, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I have to agree for the most part. Calling it "cold blooded killing" is both disingenouous and unhelpful. The most recent one that may be subject to debate is the shooting death of Walter Scott in South Carolina last year. But I don't even want to go there.

Can you help frame this for us then? While I agree that "cold blood" isn't on the table, it would be helpful to understand the thought processes that lead to the snap judgement to discharge a firearm into a citizen. Given what you have seen and heard about these two incidents how could each have ended differently? To the average person it seems unjustified because it doesn't seem like there is an obvious threat that demands lethal force in response. Is there another perspective that you can offer?

SFIAH

Ill start with the Baton Rouge shooting. The officers tazed, then went hands on, then tazed again, then went hands on again. He fought through all of these things. We watched multiple videos in briefing on a big screen and broke it all down. The right hand of the suspect was free and heading down towards his pants. Now, the gun he had was a revolver. I train Jiu Jitsu and can create space. Who is to say he could not do the same? If he gets his hand down to his pocket he does not have to reach in the pocket to pull the trigger. The guy had a CH as long as my leg. The officers were use to dealing with him and had taken guns off him in the past. We never want to shoot a suspect but I do want to go home. Therefore before he shoots me I must shoot first. I promise you the DOJ will see it as a good shooting.

You and I have weeks to break down what happened. Those officers had a split second to decide to take his life. Not something ANY officer wants to do.

QBREES9 · 07-10-2016, 12:12 AM

So what do we do if their are no police.

RockyMountainSaint · 07-10-2016, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

So what do we do if their are no police.

Lord Of The Flies.
Not really though.
Then the federal govt is a totalitarian state that in no way resembles anything this republic has ever been.
Then the statists and globalists have won and you shut your mouth or you will be "disappeared".
Or, a convention of states is convened.
And then?
Civil war.
All things that the DC ruling class will welcome because they will be insulated from the chaos.
At least until the snake begins to eat it's tail.
That has always happened and will always happen.
Man will always yearn to have liberty and freedom.

CheramieIII · 07-10-2016, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint

Lord Of The Flies.
Not really though.
Then the federal govt is a totalitarian state that in no way resembles anything this republic has ever been.
Then the statists and globalists have won and you shut your mouth or you will be "disappeared".
Or, a convention of states is convened.
And then?
Civil war.
All things that the DC ruling class will welcome because they will be insulated from the chaos.
At least until the snake begins to eat it's tail.
That has always happened and will always happen.
Man will always yearn to have liberty and freedom.

This is what happens with no police!

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SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-10-2016, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

So what do we do if their are no police.

It's not a black and white choice between have police with little accountability and having no police. It's clear that the vast majority of police officers do an admirable and honorable job of serving and protecting the public on a daily basis.

However, in situations where excessive force is clearly used, then there needs to also be accountability in those situations. And in virtually every case, even in the face of video evidence, often that accountability is lacking.

The police are supposed to be the professionals in encounters with the public. We as civilians are supposed to trust that even in dangerous and stressful situations that they will remain calm and professional and follow proper protocol. It is difficult to see those traits in encounters where civilians pose no real threat yet have deadly force inflicted upon them.

It's not black and white. Virtually every police force in most civilized nations , including most police in this country, can and do protect and serve their citizens without shooting them dead.

SFIAH

Crusader · 07-10-2016, 07:17 AM

I believe peace officers shouldn't get killed in the line of duty.
I believe peace officers should be held to a higher standard than what they are at the moment, civilians should only be killed as a last desperate action, not being shot in the back while running like the much publicized case a while back.

I also believe that there is no dissonance between the two above.

darksoul35 · 07-10-2016, 08:55 PM

I hate cops. When u get harassed and beat down by multiple cops it messes with your mental big time. I know from experience. As much as I hate them , there is no way I would even think about being happy that cops lost their lives. There are good ones out there and even the bad ones deserve a chance to change. They had absolutely nothing to do with the other shootings.

voodooido · 07-11-2016, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by darksoul35

I hate cops. When u get harassed and beat down by multiple cops it messes with your mental big time. I know from experience. As much as I hate them , there is no way I would even think about being happy that cops lost their lives. There are good ones out there and even the bad ones deserve a chance to change. They had absolutely nothing to do with the other shootings.

Well, thanks, I love you too. You ever think that maybe your actions are the reason for the officers? You ever think you should take the high road and change your hate and maybe the ones you call bad would change theirs? Ever think that the officer that "was just mean to you" is still affected by the last call where he had to clean up a crime scene where a child died? Officers are human too. Never forget that.

07-10-2016, 02:53 PM	#1
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,759	Re: Khiry Robinson and Lance Moore - Cop Haters Originally Posted by voodooido Show me one "cold blooded killing". I will destroy any arguement you put fourth. People always want to "put themselves in the blacks shoes". How about putting yourself in the officers shoes? Better yet, put yourself in my shoes. Try being a minority and a officer. Exactly. A lot of people are quick to jump on the race train and call officers killers and racists. But no one ever wants to wait until everything is done and find out if the officers reacted the right way or not. Ferguson- the officer was cleared and the "hands up don't shoot" thing was a lie that never actually happened. The media and people everywhere wanted the officer charged with murder. After it was done he was cleared, the only attention it got was the people rioting. Don't get me started on Baltimore. The DA could lose her license for withholding evidence and wrongful prosecution of the officers. I'm not saying there aren't bad officers, but 99% of us are doing it the right way and get pissed when an officer makes the rest of us look bad. It hurts us all. People just need to wait and the media needs to stop getting a rise out of everyone. This has gotten out of control. And there aren't any of us that wake up and strap on our gear and "Gee I sure hope I get to shoot someone today." CheramieIII, RockyMountainSaint, voodooido and 1 others like this.

07-11-2016, 12:37 AM	#2
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Khiry Robinson and Lance Moore - Cop Haters Originally Posted by voodooido Show me one "cold blooded killing". I will destroy any arguement you put fourth. I have to agree for the most part. Calling it "cold blooded killing" is both disingenouous and unhelpful. The most recent one that may be subject to debate is the shooting death of Walter Scott in South Carolina last year. But I don't even want to go there. People always want to "put themselves in the blacks shoes". How about putting yourself in the officers shoes? Better yet, put yourself in my shoes. Try being a minority and a officer. Can you help frame this for us then? While I agree that "cold blood" isn't on the table, it would be helpful to understand the thought processes that lead to the snap judgement to discharge a firearm into a citizen. Given what you have seen and heard about these two incidents how could each have ended differently? To the average person it seems unjustified because it doesn't seem like there is an obvious threat that demands lethal force in response. Is there another perspective that you can offer? SFIAH
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07-11-2016, 02:41 PM	#3
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,840	Re: Khiry Robinson and Lance Moore - Cop Haters Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I have to agree for the most part. Calling it "cold blooded killing" is both disingenouous and unhelpful. The most recent one that may be subject to debate is the shooting death of Walter Scott in South Carolina last year. But I don't even want to go there. Can you help frame this for us then? While I agree that "cold blood" isn't on the table, it would be helpful to understand the thought processes that lead to the snap judgement to discharge a firearm into a citizen. Given what you have seen and heard about these two incidents how could each have ended differently? To the average person it seems unjustified because it doesn't seem like there is an obvious threat that demands lethal force in response. Is there another perspective that you can offer? SFIAH Ill start with the Baton Rouge shooting. The officers tazed, then went hands on, then tazed again, then went hands on again. He fought through all of these things. We watched multiple videos in briefing on a big screen and broke it all down. The right hand of the suspect was free and heading down towards his pants. Now, the gun he had was a revolver. I train Jiu Jitsu and can create space. Who is to say he could not do the same? If he gets his hand down to his pocket he does not have to reach in the pocket to pull the trigger. The guy had a CH as long as my leg. The officers were use to dealing with him and had taken guns off him in the past. We never want to shoot a suspect but I do want to go home. Therefore before he shoots me I must shoot first. I promise you the DOJ will see it as a good shooting. You and I have weeks to break down what happened. Those officers had a split second to decide to take his life. Not something ANY officer wants to do. jnormand, CheramieIII, RockyMountainSaint and 1 others like this.
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07-10-2016, 12:12 AM	#4
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,990	Re: Khiry Robinson and Lance Moore - Cop Haters So what do we do if their are no police. voodooido likes this.

07-10-2016, 12:31 AM	#5
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Re: Khiry Robinson and Lance Moore - Cop Haters Originally Posted by QBREES9 So what do we do if their are no police. Lord Of The Flies. Not really though. Then the federal govt is a totalitarian state that in no way resembles anything this republic has ever been. Then the statists and globalists have won and you shut your mouth or you will be "disappeared". Or, a convention of states is convened. And then? Civil war. All things that the DC ruling class will welcome because they will be insulated from the chaos. At least until the snake begins to eat it's tail. That has always happened and will always happen. Man will always yearn to have liberty and freedom. CheramieIII likes this.

07-10-2016, 11:43 PM	#7
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Khiry Robinson and Lance Moore - Cop Haters Originally Posted by QBREES9 So what do we do if their are no police. It's not a black and white choice between have police with little accountability and having no police. It's clear that the vast majority of police officers do an admirable and honorable job of serving and protecting the public on a daily basis. However, in situations where excessive force is clearly used, then there needs to also be accountability in those situations. And in virtually every case, even in the face of video evidence, often that accountability is lacking. The police are supposed to be the professionals in encounters with the public. We as civilians are supposed to trust that even in dangerous and stressful situations that they will remain calm and professional and follow proper protocol. It is difficult to see those traits in encounters where civilians pose no real threat yet have deadly force inflicted upon them. It's not black and white. Virtually every police force in most civilized nations , including most police in this country, can and do protect and serve their citizens without shooting them dead. SFIAH
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07-10-2016, 07:17 AM	#8
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,044	Re: Khiry Robinson and Lance Moore - Cop Haters I believe peace officers shouldn't get killed in the line of duty. I believe peace officers should be held to a higher standard than what they are at the moment, civilians should only be killed as a last desperate action, not being shot in the back while running like the much publicized case a while back. I also believe that there is no dissonance between the two above. SaintFanInATLHELL and nola_swammi like this.

07-10-2016, 08:55 PM	#9
darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,044	Re: Khiry Robinson and Lance Moore - Cop Haters I hate cops. When u get harassed and beat down by multiple cops it messes with your mental big time. I know from experience. As much as I hate them , there is no way I would even think about being happy that cops lost their lives. There are good ones out there and even the bad ones deserve a chance to change. They had absolutely nothing to do with the other shootings.
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07-11-2016, 07:10 AM	#10
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,840	Re: Khiry Robinson and Lance Moore - Cop Haters Originally Posted by darksoul35 I hate cops. When u get harassed and beat down by multiple cops it messes with your mental big time. I know from experience. As much as I hate them , there is no way I would even think about being happy that cops lost their lives. There are good ones out there and even the bad ones deserve a chance to change. They had absolutely nothing to do with the other shootings. Well, thanks, I love you too. You ever think that maybe your actions are the reason for the officers? You ever think you should take the high road and change your hate and maybe the ones you call bad would change theirs? Ever think that the officer that "was just mean to you" is still affected by the last call where he had to clean up a crime scene where a child died? Officers are human too. Never forget that. jnormand and RockyMountainSaint like this.
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