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Old 07-15-2016, 04:51 PM   #1
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The Saints WILL NOT give up 30 + points a game on defense in 2016. Guarantee it.

Critics can sleep on this team if they want to.
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The Saints WILL NOT give up 30 + points a game on defense in 2016. Guarantee it.

Critics can sleep on this team if they want to.
I have don't have season tickets so I am safe.




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Old 07-15-2016, 06:36 PM   #4
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The Saints WILL NOT give up 30 + points a game on defense in 2016. Guarantee it.

Critics can sleep on this team if they want to.
A prediction of 11 wins isn't sleeping I don't think.

Sleeping is Darren Woodson who predicted the Saints to finish last in the division yesterday on NFL Live.

Pundits don't seem to understand two critical points:

1. The Saints have finished 7-9 the last two years with historically bad defenses. Not just bad for a season. Bad in NFL history.

2. All signs point to the defense not being historically bad a third year in a row. Improvements are evident in scheme, personnel, discipline, and health.

So if you can win 7 games with virtually no defense, then what's the expectation when the Saints have a halfway decent defense? Don't need to look far back: 2013 came in with a 11-5 record.

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Old 07-15-2016, 07:10 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL View Post
A prediction of 11 wins isn't sleeping I don't think.

Sleeping is Darren Woodson who predicted the Saints to finish last in the division yesterday on NFL Live.

Pundits don't seem to understand two critical points:

1. The Saints have finished 7-9 the last two years with historically bad defenses. Not just bad for a season. Bad in NFL history.

2. All signs point to the defense not being historically bad a third year in a row. Improvements are evident in scheme, personnel, discipline, and health.

So if you can win 7 games with virtually no defense, then what's the expectation when the Saints have a halfway decent defense? Don't need to look far back: 2013 came in with a 11-5 record.

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7-9 for 2 years, with extremely close losses.

Its beyond obvious that we had several young players begin to emerge last year. We had the most rookies of any NFL team.

We the signed some very good players this offseason.

I'm convinced many "experts" just don't have the time to study all 32 teams and simply look at last year results and if no huge names are signed, assume the worst.

In my opinion...

7 wins would be a disaster,
8 wins would be a disappointing,
9 wins would be slightly under-achieving
10 wins is about expected,
11 wins would be slightly over-achieving
12 wins would not be a total shock.

Under 8 or over 12 would very much surprise me.
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Originally Posted by Danno View Post
I'd like this twice if I could.


In my opinion...

7 wins would be a disaster,
8 wins would be a disappointing,
9 wins would be slightly under-achieving
10 wins is about expected,
11 wins would be slightly over-achieving
12 wins would not be a total shock.

Under 8 or over 12 would very much surprise me.
Once again Danno. You put it in perfect perspective going into training camp!

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL View Post
A prediction of 11 wins isn't sleeping I don't think.

Sleeping is Darren Woodson who predicted the Saints to finish last in the division yesterday on NFL Live.

Pundits don't seem to understand two critical points:

1. The Saints have finished 7-9 the last two years with historically bad defenses. Not just bad for a season. Bad in NFL history.

2. All signs point to the defense not being historically bad a third year in a row. Improvements are evident in scheme, personnel, discipline, and health.

So if you can win 7 games with virtually no defense, then what's the expectation when the Saints have a halfway decent defense? Don't need to look far back: 2013 came in with a 11-5 record.

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL View Post
A prediction of 11 wins isn't sleeping I don't think.

Sleeping is Darren Woodson who predicted the Saints to finish last in the division yesterday on NFL Live.

Pundits don't seem to understand two critical points:

1. The Saints have finished 7-9 the last two years with historically bad defenses. Not just bad for a season. Bad in NFL history.

2. All signs point to the defense not being historically bad a third year in a row. Improvements are evident in scheme, personnel, discipline, and health.

So if you can win 7 games with virtually no defense, then what's the expectation when the Saints have a halfway decent defense? Don't need to look far back: 2013 came in with a 11-5 record.

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2013 isnt exactly the best reference, the D was ranked #4 in the NFL that year. However, I agree with the assertion you are making here.
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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL View Post
A prediction of 11 wins isn't sleeping I don't think.

Sleeping is Darren Woodson who predicted the Saints to finish last in the division yesterday on NFL Live.

Pundits don't seem to understand two critical points:

1. The Saints have finished 7-9 the last two years with historically bad defenses. Not just bad for a season. Bad in NFL history.

2. All signs point to the defense not being historically bad a third year in a row. Improvements are evident in scheme, personnel, discipline, and health.

So if you can win 7 games with virtually no defense, then what's the expectation when the Saints have a halfway decent defense? Don't need to look far back: 2013 came in with a 11-5 record.

SFIAH


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If you can win 7 games with virtually no defense, then yes even a little improvement on D should help. As long as our offense doesn't take a step back.

Anything less than a downright good defense won't get us back to 7-9 if our offense takes a step back. It could very well become a complete loss. Think Brees can average another 20 plus points a game average?
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Old 07-16-2016, 11:56 PM   #10
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If you can win 7 games with virtually no defense, then yes even a little improvement on D should help. As long as our offense doesn't take a step back.
That of course is a given. However, it honestly not a subject of discussion simply because there is no evidence to support that the offense is going to be significantly different than it has been.

Anything less than a downright good defense won't get us back to 7-9 if our offense takes a step back. It could very well become a complete loss. Think Brees can average another 20 plus points a game average?
Take a look here and observe some of the "most consecutive" NFL records:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ing_touchdowns

Most consecutive seasons, 30+ passing touchdowns: 8, Drew Brees, 2008–2015

Most consecutive home games with 1+ passing touchdowns: 54, Drew Brees, 2009–present

Most consecutive games, 1+ passing touchdowns: 54, Drew Brees, 2009–2012[1]:

BTW Did you know that Drew Brees second streak starting in 2012 ran another 45 games ending last November? So literally in the last 105 games there have only been two where he did not throw a TD pass?

Brees led the league in passing last year. And he only played 15 games. If he had actually been healthy for the 2nd half of the Tampa game and played in the Carolina game it would have been a 5th 5000 yard passing season. A 5th where no other QB in history has more than 1.

Now I know that the offense is more than about Brees. However, you have a decade of consistency to rely on all the way up to game 16 of last season.

So as I started with, there's no evidence that the offense will regress. In fact an improved defense will help the offense too. With more balance and less pressure to come from behind all the time, signs point to progress not regress.

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