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|Mitch| 08-13-2016 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 712047)
That starts with preseason he said. He is playing to win.
Except neither side is showing much of the playbook...

SaintFanInATLHELL 08-13-2016 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 712034)
Not only did we go 3-1 we looked really good doing it.

Pre-season matters, payton knows that better than anyone. He is trying to create that winning culture and you don't do that by accepting defeat regardless of the game.
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 712047)
Payton has said this himself. He says to get back to the super bowl we need to start fast and get ahead early in the season. That starts with preseason he said. He is playing to win.
Preseason games are for evaluation. Payton can say that he's playing to win. But when his starting HOF caliber QB has his baseball cap on after 3 plays, how exactly can you say that you're playing to win?

It's more important to decide if Grayson is worth keeping. Considering that both he and Luke gave up 15 points directly, then it would seem to me that evaluating QB talent is more important than winning.

Preseason games takes the concept of "garbage time" to a whole new level, where literally guys who will be sitting in the stands or watching at home just like us are currently playing. Winning the game cannot be the most important thing.

The only drives that I watch with a critical eye in preseason are the 1s/2s vs 1s/2s matchups. Typically that eliminates the 2nd half of all games and discounts the entire 4th preseason game. Those periods are strictly for evaluation of talent that the organization is unsure they are going to keep on the squad for the regular season.

Evaluate the 1st quarters of games 1 and 2 and the first half of game 3. Those 4 quarters more than anything else will point to the start of the regular season.

In the first quarter of the previous game, the only two really bad plays were the two turnovers. So a ding to Ingram and a ding to Coleman, who frankly has clearly already lost his job to the rookie. Also a ding and a star to Murphy on the same play of muffing the ball, then recovering and producing a really good return.

The defense looked pretty good in the 1st quarter and into the first half with the two exceptions of the long run and the long screen.

So for the next game watch the first quarter, or whatever drives are 1/1 and 1-2/1-2 matchups, then mentally turn the game off. Only use those drives for evaluation as honestly, come September 11th, those players will be playing the majority off the snaps.

This is why I always look forward to the 3rd preseason game. That's the dress rehearsal. What you see in the 1st half or so in that game is what you'll see the first game of the season. And it's good that we're playing Pittsburgh for that game. It'll give a great evaluation against a playoff quality team.

SFIAH

WillMacKenzie 08-13-2016 12:49 PM
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After watching the game again, I'm back in the kool aid.

The Dude 08-13-2016 02:33 PM
Re: Good bad ugly
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 712161)
Preseason games are for evaluation. Payton can say that he's playing to win. But when his starting HOF caliber QB has his baseball cap on after 3 plays, how exactly can you say that you're playing to win?

It's more important to decide if Grayson is worth keeping. Considering that both he and Luke gave up 15 points directly, then it would seem to me that evaluating QB talent is more important than winning.

Preseason games takes the concept of "garbage time" to a whole new level, where literally guys who will be sitting in the stands or watching at home just like us are currently playing. Winning the game cannot be the most important thing.

The only drives that I watch with a critical eye in preseason are the 1s/2s vs 1s/2s matchups. Typically that eliminates the 2nd half of all games and discounts the entire 4th preseason game. Those periods are strictly for evaluation of talent that the organization is unsure they are going to keep on the squad for the regular season.

Evaluate the 1st quarters of games 1 and 2 and the first half of game 3. Those 4 quarters more than anything else will point to the start of the regular season.

In the first quarter of the previous game, the only two really bad plays were the two turnovers. So a ding to Ingram and a ding to Coleman, who frankly has clearly already lost his job to the rookie. Also a ding and a star to Murphy on the same play of muffing the ball, then recovering and producing a really good return.

The defense looked pretty good in the 1st quarter and into the first half with the two exceptions of the long run and the long screen.

So for the next game watch the first quarter, or whatever drives are 1/1 and 1-2/1-2 matchups, then mentally turn the game off. Only use those drives for evaluation as honestly, come September 11th, those players will be playing the majority off the snaps.

This is why I always look forward to the 3rd preseason game. That's the dress rehearsal. What you see in the 1st half or so in that game is what you'll see the first game of the season. And it's good that we're playing Pittsburgh for that game. It'll give a great evaluation against a playoff quality team.

SFIAH
Well obviously he doesn't want to show his hand scheme wise or risk injury to key players. I think his point is to get his players to buy into a winning attitude even in preseason. He wants them to experience winning from the get go and he is going to push his players and hold them accountable for a loss, as a team, not individual players.

FinSaint 08-13-2016 04:00 PM
Re: Good bad ugly
 
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 712035)
I wouldn't panic just yet, the 2nd and 3rd stringers were responsible for pretty much 3 TD's for the patriots, take that away and the defense allowed 11 points.
Well, considering that the offense gave up two TDs - the defense didn't give up a lot of points. And that one redzone INT McCown threw resulted in a TD for the Pats, so the O didn't do any favors for the D. This in itself isn't anything new, because even though the D was a mess last year - the O kept putting them in difficult situations time and time again.

hagan714 08-15-2016 07:08 AM
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way too many new faces playing new position to complain just yet. with that in mind I give it a solid C over all

WillMacKenzie 08-20-2016 07:46 PM
Re: Good bad ugly
 
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Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie (Post 711991)
Agreed. Marcus Murphy was already on my bad side for putting the ball on the ground too many times on punts. And last night, he did it again, but the Patriots let him off the hook.

I hope he and Brandon Coleman get cut immediately.

I've come to call Coleman "Mouse," cause he plays like one.

...speaking of these two. Already costing more than they're worth

hagan714 08-20-2016 10:05 PM
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OL stunk

DT need to start stuffing the run.

safety 30 yards deep? preseason? hoping?

SaintsSB 08-20-2016 10:19 PM
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Coleman needs to go!!

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SaintsSB 08-20-2016 10:20 PM
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Starting OL better open some holes in 1st half next week.

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