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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Just so people realize, it's gonna be time to pay Cooks soon. But he hasn't reached that next level yet. He's still at that good but not great level....
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Ahhh, time for the defense to carry the load for a while. Let's start going the way of the Broncos instead.
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II
I see and appreciate your sarcasm. But in all honesty, the CBA mandates those dollars be paid to players. From: NFL halfway to $25B goal - SportsBusiness Daily | SportsBusiness Journal | SportsBusiness Daily Global
All of this undergirds the fact that this contract isn't really about the money. QBs like Luck, Palmer, Brady, Eli Manning, and the like are getting similar money. The contract is about the commitment to a Super Bowl winning, 1st ballot HOF lock, QB that is 38 years old. It is about not being able to allocate those dollars elsewhere and the risk that Brees may not continue to play way above his pay grade. SFIAH |
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Not even close. After this season there is only $1.3 million in dead money remaining against the cap. Everything but $1.3M for Browner and $1,000 for Jack Tapp remains. That is no longer any excuse. The Saints are going to be a great cap shape moving forward. They could pay Brees $40M per year if they wanted and still be fine.
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The point seems to be if that if the Saints pay Brees, then there will not be money available to pay Cooks. But it misses a few key points:
1. Cooks has a 5th year option. So he won't be a free agent until 2019. 2. It's likely that Brees' next contract will be 3 years. So there will be no overlap. 3. most importantly, as I stated in my other post, NFL revenue and therefore the salary cap is going to continue to skyrocket. According to this site: http://salarycapcrunch.com/projectin...16-20-seasons/ By the 2019 season the salary cap will be pushing $180 million. Bottom line is that the NFL is essentially a money tree as long as you don't have a long string of bad picks in free agency. SFIAH |
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08-14-2016, 02:01 AM | #38 |
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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL
I'm well aware of market value. It's been discussed for years and years, and is a secret to no one, at this point. But market "value" is mostly a residual consequence of teams being desperate and over paying. Once they over pay, the bar is set. And when that happens every decent QB, not just the elite, want to negotiate at or above that number, because the precedent is already set that teams will do anything to have stability at the QB position.
Neither Drew nor any other of these guys with 100 million plus contracts have actually "earned" that money. Nothing they do is that important when you compare it to other jobs around the world. So I get highly annoyed by this idea that the team owes Drew something extra because market value has risen since his last deal. They don't owe him anything, he has made plenty. But I get it from his perspective that he can't just take a low ball offer when he could make more elsewhere. So I'm not gonna toilet paper his house if he should leave. It's business. But the Saints have to be reasonable. They can't pay a guy his age like he's 25. I hear what you are saying about the cap rising, and I have heard that many times from people defending Loomis' tactics. You mentioned a couple players whom the team has signed, but the problem is it's always just a player here, and a player there, each year. I'll admit that I wanted Byrd before he came here, but when I actually saw the contract I was blown away. It was extremely ill-advised to put that much into one player with as many problems as they needed to address on defense. There never seems to be enough money to go around in free agency. And when they do sign people, it's usually a bad move. I think they over paid for Fleener, for example, but that's just my opinion. It's hard to build through the draft alone. There are so many busts. You need to have a few proven commodities. Many of the key players who were on the '09 team were not drafted by the Saints. For the past several years Loomis has been deferring money, which has only served to keep the team out of the penalty. I don't consider that very smart business. |
If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Really? 40 million, and still be fine? Taking that comment at face value is completely unrealistic, for one. But if it were true, then what now do you suppose is the holdup? I'm not even concerned about him leaving. I'm more curious to see how much meat will be left on the bone when his deal is done. But if they can pay him THAT much, without even having a problem, then what would be the reason to stall? Clearly it isn't that simple.
I'm almost convinced that he could actually leave and some would still insist they know what's going on, and deny that there is any actual issue with the negotiations. |
If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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I believe if we don't have a deep, deep playoff run with Brees under C this season then he's not going to be here next season. Another 7-9 or even a 9-7 isn't going to cut it. Could be the FO is waiting to see how things go.
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