Saints Owe Their Fans An Explanation for Questionable Moves

jonnyrotten · 08-21-2016, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by saintshrimp

You know what I think needs explaining is why posters on this site one year will say oh player x is great he is a beast, he's a player that will Carry this team etc but as soon as he is no longer a saint it's oh he sucks awful player and the scum of the earth. I've seen it happen time and time again here.I don't understand alot of posters here when it comes to players but those same people act as if management does no wrong or ever screws up. IMHO we have a ton of hypocritical fans

What????? No!!!!! Not here!

hagan714 · 08-21-2016, 08:45 PM

Dead horses tell no tales.

ScottF · 08-22-2016, 06:31 AM

Maybe, just maybe, Lewis can't play anymore, and that's why he was cut.
He's 30 years old and has multiple injuries. We'll see how many teams line up to sign him.

RailBoss · 08-22-2016, 06:51 AM

From two different articles,

On March 14, 2013, Lewis signed a five-year, $26.3 million contract with the New Orleans Saints.[4] On November 26, 2015 Lewis was placed on injured reserve with a leg injury, ending his season. Lewis had been slowly recovering from January 2016 hip surgery. He started training camp on the physically unable to perform list, and although the team activated him from PUP on Aug. 3, 2016, he practiced just one day and had been sidelined ever since. On August 19, 2016, Lewis was released by the Saints.

Keenan Lewis was a star under defensive coordinator Rob Ryan in his first season with New Orleans back in 2013.
Now that Dennis Allen is running the defense, the Saints have cut ties with the veteran cornerback.
Is it the change in coordinator that led to Lewis' Friday exit? He certainly believes that's the case, telling ESPN's Josina Anderson that he was never "one of (Allen's) guys."

"Dennis Allen, we never got along since day one. It was something that happened years ago," Lewis said. "... Like he told me seven years ago, I didn't have what it takes to make it. He told me face-to-face that I wasn't going to make it. So I always used that as my motivation every time I see him."

Lewis was limited to six games in 2015 due to a litany of injuries that resulted in surgeries for an MCL tear, torn labrum and a sports hernia. He tried to played through the two labrum injuries last season, just as he battled through a 2014 injury that left his knee swollen to a degree that he describes as "the size of a bowling ball."

burningmetal · 08-22-2016, 10:32 AM

I have rarely had a problem with anyone the Saints have gotten rid of, be it a release or a trade. It's some of the moves they make to bring players in that have been questionable at the very best.

I can't believe writers are still complaining about the Graham trade. I was watching the replay of the game against Houston on NFL network the other day, and I heard Spencer Tillman say something like "the Saints are still paying for that mistake". I can't remember his exact words, but I know he called it a mistake. It was one of those moments where you wish you could be sitting next to the guy to tell him how dumb his comment was, and ask him if he watched any football last year, or if he he just graded the trade when it happened and went straight into hibernation.

Because last I checked, Jimmy did next to nothing, then got injured and missed the rest of the year, while we got Max Unger to make the line just a little less awful. Stephone Anthony still has a lot to prove, but even if he doesn't work out, there isn't one solid piece of evidence to suggest that the Saints lost the deal.

I even thought trading Jimmy would force Brees to spread it around more instead of forcing it to said player so freaking much. And that's exactly what happened. Unfortunately, Drew got hurt, and the line continued to stink overall. But Jimmy would not have made any difference in my opinion.

burningmetal · 08-22-2016, 10:49 AM

This Lewis thing, I'm not sure about yet. He absolutely drew my ire, and that of others, when he got all butt hurt about his contract a while back. People try to inflate the value of players all the time, but when you are UNDER CONTRACT, you have no right to complain. Nobody owes you retroactively if you out play your deal. Just keep playing and you'll make good on the next deal. Instead he couldn't stay healthy. So that doesn't make him look good.

However, this seems really early to release him. Would it REALLY be so detrimental to just wait it out till final cuts, instead of cutting him now and letting bubba bo bob brain, or whoever, get knocked around at the bottom of the roster for a couple of more weeks instead of Lewis?

That's my only issue. It's not like he was going to cost PJ Williams or Delvin Breaux a roster spot. I can only guess that there might have been some off the field problems with his attitude or something. But that isn't confirmed, so I'm still just a little surprised.

WhoDatFan26 · 08-22-2016, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

This Lewis thing, I'm not sure about yet. He absolutely drew my ire, and that of others, when he got all butt hurt about his contract a while back. People try to inflate the value of players all the time, but when you are UNDER CONTRACT, you have no right to complain. Nobody owes you retroactively if you out play your deal. Just keep playing and you'll make good on the next deal. Instead he couldn't stay healthy. So that doesn't make him look good.

However, this seems really early to release him. Would it REALLY be so detrimental to just wait it out till final cuts, instead of cutting him now and letting bubba bo bob brain, or whoever, get knocked around at the bottom of the roster for a couple of more weeks instead of Lewis?

That's my only issue. It's not like he was going to cost PJ Williams or Delvin Breaux a roster spot. I can only guess that there might have been some off the field problems with his attitude or something. But that isn't confirmed, so I'm still just a little surprised.

Exactly. Keeping him on the roster wouldn't have hurt. Only helped us.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 08-22-2016, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

This Lewis thing, I'm not sure about yet. He absolutely drew my ire, and that of others, when he got all butt hurt about his contract a while back. People try to inflate the value of players all the time, but when you are UNDER CONTRACT, you have no right to complain. Nobody owes you retroactively if you out play your deal. Just keep playing and you'll make good on the next deal. Instead he couldn't stay healthy. So that doesn't make him look good.

However, this seems really early to release him. Would it REALLY be so detrimental to just wait it out till final cuts, instead of cutting him now and letting bubba bo bob brain, or whoever, get knocked around at the bottom of the roster for a couple of more weeks instead of Lewis?

That's my only issue. It's not like he was going to cost PJ Williams or Delvin Breaux a roster spot. I can only guess that there might have been some off the field problems with his attitude or something. But that isn't confirmed, so I'm still just a little surprised.

Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26

Exactly. Keeping him on the roster wouldn't have hurt. Only helped us.

Keeping him on the roster hurts because it means one less healthy player available to the team.

I believe that it's really just as simple as Williams is healthy and playing reasonably well while Lewis is unavailable. Payton has said as much when asked about the release.

As I've said, it's likely that the Saints did Lewis a favor. It's tough to catch on when you're a late cut.

SFIAH

ScottF · 08-22-2016, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Keeping him on the roster hurts because it means one less healthy player available to the team.

I believe that it's really just as simple as Williams is healthy and playing reasonably well while Lewis is unavailable. Payton has said as much when asked about the release.

As I've said, it's likely that the Saints did Lewis a favor. It's tough to catch on when you're a late cut.

SFIAH

this all makes sense ^ except for the timing. Cuts to 75 aren't until next week, and then 20 more guys will 4 days later. So Lewis had another 8 days and a game to show he was ready, or at least improving.
Even injured, you'd think he was a better option than TE #5, or OLB #11

burningmetal · 08-22-2016, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

this all makes sense ^ except for the timing. Cuts to 75 aren't until next week, and then 20 more guys will 4 days later. So Lewis had another 8 days and a game to show he was ready, or at least improving.
Even injured, you'd think he was a better option than TE #5, or OLB #11

Pretty much exactly my only issue with it. Lewis may never have gotten on the field, but keeping guys who are just warm bodies, for the sake of having warm bodies doesn't outweigh the importance of trying to get Lewis healthy, knowing what he's capable of. Not in my mind anyway.

08-21-2016, 08:45 PM	#2
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints Owe Their Fans An Explanation for Questionable Moves Dead horses tell no tales.

08-22-2016, 06:31 AM	#3
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Saints Owe Their Fans An Explanation for Questionable Moves Maybe, just maybe, Lewis can't play anymore, and that's why he was cut. He's 30 years old and has multiple injuries. We'll see how many teams line up to sign him. RockyMountainSaint likes this.

08-22-2016, 06:51 AM	#4
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Saints Owe Their Fans An Explanation for Questionable Moves From two different articles, On March 14, 2013, Lewis signed a five-year, $26.3 million contract with the New Orleans Saints.[4] On November 26, 2015 Lewis was placed on injured reserve with a leg injury, ending his season. Lewis had been slowly recovering from January 2016 hip surgery. He started training camp on the physically unable to perform list, and although the team activated him from PUP on Aug. 3, 2016, he practiced just one day and had been sidelined ever since. On August 19, 2016, Lewis was released by the Saints. Keenan Lewis was a star under defensive coordinator Rob Ryan in his first season with New Orleans back in 2013. Now that Dennis Allen is running the defense, the Saints have cut ties with the veteran cornerback. Is it the change in coordinator that led to Lewis' Friday exit? He certainly believes that's the case, telling ESPN's Josina Anderson that he was never "one of (Allen's) guys." "Dennis Allen, we never got along since day one. It was something that happened years ago," Lewis said. "... Like he told me seven years ago, I didn't have what it takes to make it. He told me face-to-face that I wasn't going to make it. So I always used that as my motivation every time I see him." Lewis was limited to six games in 2015 due to a litany of injuries that resulted in surgeries for an MCL tear, torn labrum and a sports hernia. He tried to played through the two labrum injuries last season, just as he battled through a 2014 injury that left his knee swollen to a degree that he describes as "the size of a bowling ball." WhoDatFan26 likes this.

08-22-2016, 10:32 AM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Owe Their Fans An Explanation for Questionable Moves I have rarely had a problem with anyone the Saints have gotten rid of, be it a release or a trade. It's some of the moves they make to bring players in that have been questionable at the very best. I can't believe writers are still complaining about the Graham trade. I was watching the replay of the game against Houston on NFL network the other day, and I heard Spencer Tillman say something like "the Saints are still paying for that mistake". I can't remember his exact words, but I know he called it a mistake. It was one of those moments where you wish you could be sitting next to the guy to tell him how dumb his comment was, and ask him if he watched any football last year, or if he he just graded the trade when it happened and went straight into hibernation. Because last I checked, Jimmy did next to nothing, then got injured and missed the rest of the year, while we got Max Unger to make the line just a little less awful. Stephone Anthony still has a lot to prove, but even if he doesn't work out, there isn't one solid piece of evidence to suggest that the Saints lost the deal. I even thought trading Jimmy would force Brees to spread it around more instead of forcing it to said player so freaking much. And that's exactly what happened. Unfortunately, Drew got hurt, and the line continued to stink overall. But Jimmy would not have made any difference in my opinion. RockyMountainSaint, Crusader, dizzle88 and 1 others like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

08-22-2016, 10:49 AM	#6
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Owe Their Fans An Explanation for Questionable Moves This Lewis thing, I'm not sure about yet. He absolutely drew my ire, and that of others, when he got all butt hurt about his contract a while back. People try to inflate the value of players all the time, but when you are UNDER CONTRACT, you have no right to complain. Nobody owes you retroactively if you out play your deal. Just keep playing and you'll make good on the next deal. Instead he couldn't stay healthy. So that doesn't make him look good. However, this seems really early to release him. Would it REALLY be so detrimental to just wait it out till final cuts, instead of cutting him now and letting bubba bo bob brain, or whoever, get knocked around at the bottom of the roster for a couple of more weeks instead of Lewis? That's my only issue. It's not like he was going to cost PJ Williams or Delvin Breaux a roster spot. I can only guess that there might have been some off the field problems with his attitude or something. But that isn't confirmed, so I'm still just a little surprised. WhoDatFan26 likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

08-21-2016, 10:19 PM	#1
jonnyrotten 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nashville Posts: 512	Re: Saints Owe Their Fans An Explanation for Questionable Moves Originally Posted by saintshrimp You know what I think needs explaining is why posters on this site one year will say oh player x is great he is a beast, he's a player that will Carry this team etc but as soon as he is no longer a saint it's oh he sucks awful player and the scum of the earth. I've seen it happen time and time again here.I don't understand alot of posters here when it comes to players but those same people act as if management does no wrong or ever screws up. IMHO we have a ton of hypocritical fans What????? No!!!!! Not here!

08-22-2016, 02:30 PM	#7
WhoDatFan26 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365	Re: Saints Owe Their Fans An Explanation for Questionable Moves Originally Posted by burningmetal This Lewis thing, I'm not sure about yet. He absolutely drew my ire, and that of others, when he got all butt hurt about his contract a while back. People try to inflate the value of players all the time, but when you are UNDER CONTRACT, you have no right to complain. Nobody owes you retroactively if you out play your deal. Just keep playing and you'll make good on the next deal. Instead he couldn't stay healthy. So that doesn't make him look good. However, this seems really early to release him. Would it REALLY be so detrimental to just wait it out till final cuts, instead of cutting him now and letting bubba bo bob brain, or whoever, get knocked around at the bottom of the roster for a couple of more weeks instead of Lewis? That's my only issue. It's not like he was going to cost PJ Williams or Delvin Breaux a roster spot. I can only guess that there might have been some off the field problems with his attitude or something. But that isn't confirmed, so I'm still just a little surprised. Exactly. Keeping him on the roster wouldn't have hurt. Only helped us.
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08-22-2016, 04:28 PM	#8
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,787	Re: Saints Owe Their Fans An Explanation for Questionable Moves Originally Posted by burningmetal This Lewis thing, I'm not sure about yet. He absolutely drew my ire, and that of others, when he got all butt hurt about his contract a while back. People try to inflate the value of players all the time, but when you are UNDER CONTRACT, you have no right to complain. Nobody owes you retroactively if you out play your deal. Just keep playing and you'll make good on the next deal. Instead he couldn't stay healthy. So that doesn't make him look good. However, this seems really early to release him. Would it REALLY be so detrimental to just wait it out till final cuts, instead of cutting him now and letting bubba bo bob brain, or whoever, get knocked around at the bottom of the roster for a couple of more weeks instead of Lewis? That's my only issue. It's not like he was going to cost PJ Williams or Delvin Breaux a roster spot. I can only guess that there might have been some off the field problems with his attitude or something. But that isn't confirmed, so I'm still just a little surprised. Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26 Exactly. Keeping him on the roster wouldn't have hurt. Only helped us. Keeping him on the roster hurts because it means one less healthy player available to the team. I believe that it's really just as simple as Williams is healthy and playing reasonably well while Lewis is unavailable. Payton has said as much when asked about the release. As I've said, it's likely that the Saints did Lewis a favor. It's tough to catch on when you're a late cut. SFIAH Rugby Saint II likes this.

08-22-2016, 06:36 PM	#9
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Saints Owe Their Fans An Explanation for Questionable Moves Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Keeping him on the roster hurts because it means one less healthy player available to the team. I believe that it's really just as simple as Williams is healthy and playing reasonably well while Lewis is unavailable. Payton has said as much when asked about the release. As I've said, it's likely that the Saints did Lewis a favor. It's tough to catch on when you're a late cut. SFIAH this all makes sense ^ except for the timing. Cuts to 75 aren't until next week, and then 20 more guys will 4 days later. So Lewis had another 8 days and a game to show he was ready, or at least improving. Even injured, you'd think he was a better option than TE #5, or OLB #11 burningmetal and WhoDatFan26 like this.

08-22-2016, 10:18 PM	#10
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Owe Their Fans An Explanation for Questionable Moves Originally Posted by ScottF this all makes sense ^ except for the timing. Cuts to 75 aren't until next week, and then 20 more guys will 4 days later. So Lewis had another 8 days and a game to show he was ready, or at least improving. Even injured, you'd think he was a better option than TE #5, or OLB #11 Pretty much exactly my only issue with it. Lewis may never have gotten on the field, but keeping guys who are just warm bodies, for the sake of having warm bodies doesn't outweigh the importance of trying to get Lewis healthy, knowing what he's capable of. Not in my mind anyway.

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