5-11 to 7-9

captainshawn · 08-28-2016, 03:21 PM

The 1990 Buffalo Bills and the 2000 Giant both lost all 4 preseason games and made it to the Super Bowl. They both lost the big game.

CharityMike · 08-28-2016, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

PFF stats showed Kelemete had a pretty good game against Pittsburgh, but Lelito was awful again for the 3rd straight game.

I think Lelito may be the primary problem.

And Peat

Danno · 08-28-2016, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

And Peat

Not sure about that. Peat is a LT who is being shifted around because both of our OG's suck. Is that Peat's fault?

If we had decent OG's Peat would be developed as an OT. Its what his skill set says he is. Ideally he'd learn behind Strief (or Armstead) for a few years then take over. But since our OG's suck and he's got talent he's being thrown into a situation that doesn't play to his strengths.

Peat playing OG isn't the issue. Peat being forced to play OG because our OG's suck is the issue.

spkb25 · 08-28-2016, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by captainshawn

The 1990 Buffalo Bills and the 2000 Giant both lost all 4 preseason games and made it to the Super Bowl. They both lost the big game.

it's not losing preseason games I think anyone here cares about. At least I don't. It is that our team looks sloppy and unprepared, that is an issue

saintfan · 08-28-2016, 03:48 PM

Definitely not 'the losing'. I have accepted the bar I set was too high. I am calmer now. Look no LT, Peat learning on the job, young DBs, and big ben owned them. We get no credit for pressure either but jeesh ben was cat quick and impressive.

We're going to suck some, and then we get to see if the talent we all (most) think we have is truly there.

In our case 8-8 might just be the win.

lee909 · 08-28-2016, 04:02 PM

I can see another 7-9 to 9-7. The problem with that is yet another draft when you miss the players that can change the team while still missing the playoffs. We have missed out on some very good players the past few years by one or two wins

2013
Chance Warmack
D. J. Fluker
D. J. Hayden
Sheldon Richardson
Star Lotulelei

2015
Danny Shelton
Todd Gurley
Vic Beasley
could have moved up for Leonard Williams

B_Dub_Saint · 08-28-2016, 05:35 PM

Its not about wins and losses in pre-season. We are getting our asses handed to us in match up situations. Whether it be the opponent D-Line vs our O-line, their DB's vs our Wr's or their Wr's vs our DB's. I'm strictly looking at match ups here.

When our 1st team offense was in there it was pretty awful. I'm not throwing in the towel or jumping ship. We all can see an obvious problem here. I have not seen a whole lot of improvement collectively on this team. I truly hope I eat the hell out of crow this season.

I think like all of you, I just want to see improvement.

burningmetal · 08-29-2016, 01:55 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Not sure about that. Peat is a LT who is being shifted around because both of our OG's suck. Is that Peat's fault?

If we had decent OG's Peat would be developed as an OT. Its what his skill set says he is. Ideally he'd learn behind Strief (or Armstead) for a few years then take over. But since our OG's suck and he's got talent he's being thrown into a situation that doesn't play to his strengths.

Peat playing OG isn't the issue. Peat being forced to play OG because our OG's suck is the issue.

Once again, Peat has been terrible everywhere. Enough excuses.

Let me give two good examples right here with our beloved Saints. Jahri Evans was a left tackle from a small school, no less. He comes to the Saints and is immediately one of the best guards in the league as a rookie.

Carl Nicks: Left tackle in college. Comes here, becomes one of the best guards in the league as a rookie.

Peat was a FIRST ROUND pick. If he is worth his salt, he should be showing some type of improvement by now, and moving around shouldn't be a problem. I've said over and over that he's a bad fit for the interior. But he hasn't shown that he can handle anything else.

Now look, Jon Stinchcomb looked like a bust for years before he finally became decent. Not great, but decent. He was a second rounder. Maybe Peat becomes decent 2 or 3 years from now. But who the heck wants to wait that long on a guy you drafted in the top 15? He's struggling, and it's a disappointment. Period.

halloween 65 · 08-29-2016, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Once again, Peat has been terrible everywhere. Enough excuses.

Let me give two good examples right here with our beloved Saints. Jahri Evans was a left tackle from a small school, no less. He comes to the Saints and is immediately one of the best guards in the league as a rookie.

Carl Nicks: Left tackle in college. Comes here, becomes one of the best guards in the league as a rookie.

Peat was a FIRST ROUND pick. If he is worth his salt, he should be showing some type of improvement by now, and moving around shouldn't be a problem. I've said over and over that he's a bad fit for the interior. But he hasn't shown that he can handle anything else.

Now look, Jon Stinchcomb looked like a bust for years before he finally became decent. Not great, but decent. He was a second rounder. Maybe Peat becomes decent 2 or three years from now. But who the heck wants to wait that long on a guy you drafted in the top 15? He's struggling, and it's a disappointment. Period.

Well said!!Thats the problem I have with Vaccarro, he has regressed instead of getting better.

K Major · 08-29-2016, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Maybe Peat becomes decent 2 or 3 years from now. But who the heck wants to wait that long on a guy you drafted in the top 15? He's struggling, and it's a disappointment. Period.

Damn 2 or 3 years & all we get is decent? If this turns out to be true, boy what a bad first round selection we've made.

08-28-2016, 03:21 PM	#101
captainshawn Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Lake Hermitage, La. Posts: 289	Re: 5-11 to 7-9 The 1990 Buffalo Bills and the 2000 Giant both lost all 4 preseason games and made it to the Super Bowl. They both lost the big game.

08-28-2016, 03:23 PM	#102
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: 5-11 to 7-9 Originally Posted by Danno PFF stats showed Kelemete had a pretty good game against Pittsburgh, but Lelito was awful again for the 3rd straight game. I think Lelito may be the primary problem. And Peat

08-28-2016, 03:30 PM	#103
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: 5-11 to 7-9 Originally Posted by CharityMike And Peat Not sure about that. Peat is a LT who is being shifted around because both of our OG's suck. Is that Peat's fault? If we had decent OG's Peat would be developed as an OT. Its what his skill set says he is. Ideally he'd learn behind Strief (or Armstead) for a few years then take over. But since our OG's suck and he's got talent he's being thrown into a situation that doesn't play to his strengths. Peat playing OG isn't the issue. Peat being forced to play OG because our OG's suck is the issue. mleg1972, CharityMike and K Major like this.

08-28-2016, 03:39 PM	#104
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	Re: 5-11 to 7-9 Originally Posted by captainshawn The 1990 Buffalo Bills and the 2000 Giant both lost all 4 preseason games and made it to the Super Bowl. They both lost the big game. it's not losing preseason games I think anyone here cares about. At least I don't. It is that our team looks sloppy and unprepared, that is an issue halloween 65 and saintshrimp like this.

08-28-2016, 03:48 PM	#105
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: 5-11 to 7-9 Definitely not 'the losing'. I have accepted the bar I set was too high. I am calmer now. Look no LT, Peat learning on the job, young DBs, and big ben owned them. We get no credit for pressure either but jeesh ben was cat quick and impressive. We're going to suck some, and then we get to see if the talent we all (most) think we have is truly there. In our case 8-8 might just be the win.

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08-28-2016, 04:02 PM	#106
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,809 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 5-11 to 7-9 I can see another 7-9 to 9-7. The problem with that is yet another draft when you miss the players that can change the team while still missing the playoffs. We have missed out on some very good players the past few years by one or two wins 2013 Chance Warmack D. J. Fluker D. J. Hayden Sheldon Richardson Star Lotulelei 2015 Danny Shelton Todd Gurley Vic Beasley could have moved up for Leonard Williams

08-28-2016, 05:35 PM	#107
B_Dub_Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 2,345 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 5-11 to 7-9 Its not about wins and losses in pre-season. We are getting our asses handed to us in match up situations. Whether it be the opponent D-Line vs our O-line, their DB's vs our Wr's or their Wr's vs our DB's. I'm strictly looking at match ups here. When our 1st team offense was in there it was pretty awful. I'm not throwing in the towel or jumping ship. We all can see an obvious problem here. I have not seen a whole lot of improvement collectively on this team. I truly hope I eat the hell out of crow this season. I think like all of you, I just want to see improvement. halloween 65 and saintshrimp like this.
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08-29-2016, 01:55 AM	#108
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 5-11 to 7-9 Originally Posted by Danno Not sure about that. Peat is a LT who is being shifted around because both of our OG's suck. Is that Peat's fault? If we had decent OG's Peat would be developed as an OT. Its what his skill set says he is. Ideally he'd learn behind Strief (or Armstead) for a few years then take over. But since our OG's suck and he's got talent he's being thrown into a situation that doesn't play to his strengths. Peat playing OG isn't the issue. Peat being forced to play OG because our OG's suck is the issue. Once again, Peat has been terrible everywhere. Enough excuses. Let me give two good examples right here with our beloved Saints. Jahri Evans was a left tackle from a small school, no less. He comes to the Saints and is immediately one of the best guards in the league as a rookie. Carl Nicks: Left tackle in college. Comes here, becomes one of the best guards in the league as a rookie. Peat was a FIRST ROUND pick. If he is worth his salt, he should be showing some type of improvement by now, and moving around shouldn't be a problem. I've said over and over that he's a bad fit for the interior. But he hasn't shown that he can handle anything else. Now look, Jon Stinchcomb looked like a bust for years before he finally became decent. Not great, but decent. He was a second rounder. Maybe Peat becomes decent 2 or 3 years from now. But who the heck wants to wait that long on a guy you drafted in the top 15? He's struggling, and it's a disappointment. Period. Sarik and saintshrimp like this.
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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 5-11 to 7-9 Originally Posted by burningmetal Once again, Peat has been terrible everywhere. Enough excuses. Let me give two good examples right here with our beloved Saints. Jahri Evans was a left tackle from a small school, no less. He comes to the Saints and is immediately one of the best guards in the league as a rookie. Carl Nicks: Left tackle in college. Comes here, becomes one of the best guards in the league as a rookie. Peat was a FIRST ROUND pick. If he is worth his salt, he should be showing some type of improvement by now, and moving around shouldn't be a problem. I've said over and over that he's a bad fit for the interior. But he hasn't shown that he can handle anything else. Now look, Jon Stinchcomb looked like a bust for years before he finally became decent. Not great, but decent. He was a second rounder. Maybe Peat becomes decent 2 or three years from now. But who the heck wants to wait that long on a guy you drafted in the top 15? He's struggling, and it's a disappointment. Period. Well said!!Thats the problem I have with Vaccarro, he has regressed instead of getting better.

08-29-2016, 09:02 AM	#110
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 5-11 to 7-9 Originally Posted by burningmetal Maybe Peat becomes decent 2 or 3 years from now. But who the heck wants to wait that long on a guy you drafted in the top 15? He's struggling, and it's a disappointment. Period. Damn 2 or 3 years & all we get is decent? If this turns out to be true, boy what a bad first round selection we've made.

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