Defense: More Spaglike or Latter Day Williams?

voodooido · 09-27-2016, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Tom Benson? Is that you?

Two straight 7-9 seasons, I know lets extend him 5 years, it's not like we haven't been close to a superbowl in 6 years or anything....lol

Let me clairfy, I'm giving the D across the board a pass. We are starting our #5 and #6 cb's. We lost our starting DE and DT. I can not blame Allen for the play of backups in every position.

Halo · 09-27-2016, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by Seer1

I've lost track. Who all isn't playing?

Started early, before game 2 of preseason. By end of the first regular season game we lost both starting corners, starting LB Kihaha, starting Tight End Manu, Jenkins out, Keenan Lewis may never recover from his injury so we cut him, Swann gone, Delvin Breaux GONE.... Byrd did come back to play.

That's a lot of starters and rotating backups GONE for the season or forever.

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bobdog86 · 09-27-2016, 01:04 AM

Banged up defense gets a pass, albeit a very marginal pass none the less. Thought some of the replacement bartender types made some plays....As much as I like Harper, think it may be time to hang it up, he looked old, slow and whiffed several times, not to mention out of place. If we still stink after we get healthier, believe then we may have to look at doing something.

jnormand · 09-27-2016, 01:12 AM

Oh for hells sake. Stop with the Payton bashing. He's a good coach and even if we were to fire him, who the hell is gonna get our offensive production? No one.

I love this place. But good hell I'm about to abort after almost a decade and a half. It's just a downer.

Halo · 09-27-2016, 01:17 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

I live this place. But good hell I'm about to abort after almost a decade and a half. It's just a downer.

Don't abort... choose life!!!!

blackangold · 09-27-2016, 01:20 AM

What is latter day Williams?

You mean the best defenses this team has seen in decades?

Greg Williams was the best thing that happen to the Saints, since he left we have been an average franchise at best. The success from 2009-2011 was in large part due to GW not Payton.

Halo · 09-27-2016, 01:33 AM

latter-day saints?

burningmetal · 09-27-2016, 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Two thirds of the defense is out. What did you expect?

Injuries make it harder, we all get it. But those are still supposed to be professionals out there. So to answer your question, the expectation is that you put up SOME kind of resistance.

They managed to keep the Giants out of the endzone last week. They bent a ton, but didn't break, and we all applauded them for it. Then they come home for a prime time game against a team they have owned, and they do absolutely nothing to stop that team.

The D-line can't make any excuses. They are missing a player (Rankins) who no one even knows yet how good he is. There was supposed to be an improved pass rush, and it just hasn't happened.

No question the injuries hurt bad. But you can't be non competitive.

Utah_Saint · 09-27-2016, 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

What is latter day Williams?

You mean the best defenses this team has seen in decades?

Greg Williams was the best thing that happen to the Saints, since he left we have been an average franchise at best. The success from 2009-2011 was in large part due to GW not Payton.

Durning Gregg Williams tenure as Defensive Coordinator the Saints Defense in yards was ranked:

2009 - 25th
2010 - 4th
2011 - 24th

During that same time the Offense was ranked:

2009 - 1st
2010 - 6th
2011 - 1st

2009 the Saints won the Super Bowl
2010 the Saints were knocked out of the playoffs by Seattle 41-36
2011 the Saints were knocked out of the playoffs by San Fran 32-36

Gregg Williams was loud and unconventional but it was the offense that carried those teams. In 2010 and 2011 it was the defense that failed and got the Saints knocked out of the playoffs.

captainshawn · 09-27-2016, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

It's a valid point but it gives Sean Payton an excuse for a loss, like he needs one.

Week 1 - offense great, D sucks
Week 2 - D is great, offense sucks
Week 3 - Offense is okay, D and special teams sucks

For the past 3 years, I've never seen us play as a team, if one side excels, the other fails, it starts with Payton.

D & ST did indeed SUCK. However, to say the O was only ok is laughable

474 total yards
377 passing
115 rushing
32 1st downs
32:34 TOP
and 32 points

The stupid muffed punt/keystone cops play and the pick 6 are what doomed us. Without those two play's, we win.

We lost the first two games by a combined 4 points.
I have not lost hope and believe this can be turned around.

09-27-2016, 12:59 AM	#11
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,770	Re: Defense: More Spaglike or Latter Day Williams? Originally Posted by dizzle88 Tom Benson? Is that you? Two straight 7-9 seasons, I know lets extend him 5 years, it's not like we haven't been close to a superbowl in 6 years or anything....lol Let me clairfy, I'm giving the D across the board a pass. We are starting our #5 and #6 cb's. We lost our starting DE and DT. I can not blame Allen for the play of backups in every position. dizzle88 likes this.
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09-27-2016, 01:01 AM	#12
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,720 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Defense: More Spaglike or Latter Day Williams? Originally Posted by Seer1 I've lost track. Who all isn't playing? Started early, before game 2 of preseason. By end of the first regular season game we lost both starting corners, starting LB Kihaha, starting Tight End Manu, Jenkins out, Keenan Lewis may never recover from his injury so we cut him, Swann gone, Delvin Breaux GONE.... Byrd did come back to play. That's a lot of starters and rotating backups GONE for the season or forever. http://blackandgold.com/saints/79243-growing-list.html Not making excuses, just reality. saintfan, jnormand and Utah_Saint like this.

09-27-2016, 01:04 AM	#13
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,414	Re: Defense: More Spaglike or Latter Day Williams? Banged up defense gets a pass, albeit a very marginal pass none the less. Thought some of the replacement bartender types made some plays....As much as I like Harper, think it may be time to hang it up, he looked old, slow and whiffed several times, not to mention out of place. If we still stink after we get healthier, believe then we may have to look at doing something. Halo and jnormand like this.

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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,687	Re: Defense: More Spaglike or Latter Day Williams? Oh for hells sake. Stop with the Payton bashing. He's a good coach and even if we were to fire him, who the hell is gonna get our offensive production? No one. I love this place. But good hell I'm about to abort after almost a decade and a half. It's just a downer. Rugby Saint II, WhoDat!656 and Utah_Saint like this.
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09-27-2016, 01:20 AM	#16
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Defense: More Spaglike or Latter Day Williams? What is latter day Williams? You mean the best defenses this team has seen in decades? Greg Williams was the best thing that happen to the Saints, since he left we have been an average franchise at best. The success from 2009-2011 was in large part due to GW not Payton.

09-27-2016, 01:33 AM	#17
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,720 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Defense: More Spaglike or Latter Day Williams? latter-day saints?

09-27-2016, 01:50 AM	#18
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Defense: More Spaglike or Latter Day Williams? Originally Posted by Danno Two thirds of the defense is out. What did you expect? Injuries make it harder, we all get it. But those are still supposed to be professionals out there. So to answer your question, the expectation is that you put up SOME kind of resistance. They managed to keep the Giants out of the endzone last week. They bent a ton, but didn't break, and we all applauded them for it. Then they come home for a prime time game against a team they have owned, and they do absolutely nothing to stop that team. The D-line can't make any excuses. They are missing a player (Rankins) who no one even knows yet how good he is. There was supposed to be an improved pass rush, and it just hasn't happened. No question the injuries hurt bad. But you can't be non competitive. K Major likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-27-2016, 04:04 AM	#19
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Defense: More Spaglike or Latter Day Williams? Originally Posted by blackangold What is latter day Williams? You mean the best defenses this team has seen in decades? Greg Williams was the best thing that happen to the Saints, since he left we have been an average franchise at best. The success from 2009-2011 was in large part due to GW not Payton. Durning Gregg Williams tenure as Defensive Coordinator the Saints Defense in yards was ranked: 2009 - 25th 2010 - 4th 2011 - 24th During that same time the Offense was ranked: 2009 - 1st 2010 - 6th 2011 - 1st 2009 the Saints won the Super Bowl 2010 the Saints were knocked out of the playoffs by Seattle 41-36 2011 the Saints were knocked out of the playoffs by San Fran 32-36 Gregg Williams was loud and unconventional but it was the offense that carried those teams. In 2010 and 2011 it was the defense that failed and got the Saints knocked out of the playoffs. Halo likes this.

09-27-2016, 11:35 AM	#20
captainshawn Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Lake Hermitage, La. Posts: 289	Re: Defense: More Spaglike or Latter Day Williams? Originally Posted by dizzle88 It's a valid point but it gives Sean Payton an excuse for a loss, like he needs one. Week 1 - offense great, D sucks Week 2 - D is great, offense sucks Week 3 - Offense is okay, D and special teams sucks For the past 3 years, I've never seen us play as a team, if one side excels, the other fails, it starts with Payton. D & ST did indeed SUCK. However, to say the O was only ok is laughable 474 total yards 377 passing 115 rushing 32 1st downs 32:34 TOP and 32 points The stupid muffed punt/keystone cops play and the pick 6 are what doomed us. Without those two play's, we win. We lost the first two games by a combined 4 points. I have not lost hope and believe this can be turned around.

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