Bree's lost a step?

burningmetal · 10-25-2016, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Been trying to verify or disprove that statement, but I did find that as of October 15, 2013 Brees was tied for 10th with the most career pick sixes at 19. Manning had 25 at the time and Favre had 35. Although, among all QB's that had thrown at least five pick sixes he is only ranked 111th in pick sixes per pass attempt.

Most Pick Sixes Thrown in NFL History

I said I believe "since he entered the league", not where he ranks all time. I also said that is the down side to throwing so much. Yes, the number is lower, per attempt, but when you throw it as much as we do you run the high risk of disaster. You gotta have some balance. We did in '09.

But kind of you to misinterpret my entire post.

Utah_Saint · 10-25-2016, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I said I believe "since he entered the league",

No, you didn't say that. Gumbo even highlighted what you wrote in his reply.

jeanpierre · 10-25-2016, 11:28 PM

Pick 6's (Career)

Rank Player Pick6

1 Brett Favre+ 31

2 Dan Marino+ 28

3 Peyton Manning 27

4 Drew Brees 26

5 Vinny Testaverde 23

6 Carson Palmer 20

6 Eli Manning 20

6 Steve DeBerg 20

6 Kerry Collins 20

10 Philip Rivers 19

NFL Career QB Pick Six Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com

burningmetal · 10-26-2016, 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

No, you didn't say that. Gumbo even highlighted what you wrote in his reply.

Right, I said "over the course of his career", meaning since he entered the league. I paraphrased myself. It's the exact same thing. And the point was that I was not stating where he ranked among QB's all time in pick sixes.

Wow, you really thought you had me on that one, eh?

WillSaints81 · 10-26-2016, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

The only thing I don't like is it appears to me Drew is panicking a little too much and throwing the ball away a little too quick. It is better than throwing a pick or taking a hard hit but I wouldn't mind seeing him maybe scramble a bit and gain a couple positive yards then slide. I much prefer 2nd and 7 over 2nd and 10. Still allows the chance to run the ball.

Someone said he threw that pick because he felt he had to throw the ball and make a play because of his defense. Yet, the game was tied and it was after the first drive the defense allowed a score.

Even the best teams don't have a lead every game. We didn't in 2009. Offenses are better than then and this team has too many standards for the defense. Some think we should have held this team to 13 because it's the chiefs' offense.

WillSaints81 · 10-26-2016, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

That pick was on butterfingers, not Drew. Many of INTs (as all QBs) are from good throws.

He was targeting Snead on that pick? As I said Snead does not show up in tougher games.

WillSaints81 · 10-26-2016, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by 73Saint

Brees was statistically the third best QB in the NFL last week. He's (yet again) playing at an elite, HOF level. And that's with a subpar (putting it mildly) supporting cast.

Want to talk about something how about how this franchise could well go down in history as having wasted one of the best ever QB talents without even so much as sniffing the playoffs last 5 or so years of his career...

Oh and the INT, about a foot off. 12", other than that he was perfect. I'll settle for that Loss of Step anyday.

And who's to blame for that? Getting rid of who we got rid of in 2014 was why. Jenkins might not have been what he is now but the defense probably stays the same or just a little worse. SP got a bit butt hurt over losing to Seattle and reacted impulsively.

BusDriver · 10-26-2016, 04:34 PM

I say the defender got there a tad early and that caused Sneed to end up face-masking the ball to Sorenson. IIRC

AsylumGuido · 10-26-2016, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by BusDriver

I say the defender got there a tad early and that caused Sneed to end up face-masking the ball to Sorenson. IIRC

Actually, Eric Berry reached around Snead and got just enough of a hand on the ball to deflect it up and off Snead's face mask and lucky into Soreson's hands. Snead had position on the defender and Brees threw a good accurate pass. Berry simply made an outstanding play that should have been an incompletion, but the Saints just caught a very unlucky break.

Google the play. It is out there.

burningmetal · 10-26-2016, 05:23 PM

It was hard to tell in real time who deflected it, Snead or the defender, but you could see that he was bearing down on Snead and the ball shouldn't have been thrown. That is a play where at other times you could throw it low and protect the receiver, but there was a D-lineman right in front of Drew with his hand in the air, so I'm pretty sure he threw it high on purpose. And that was a mistake. Never throw high into traffic.

10-25-2016, 10:24 PM	#31
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Been trying to verify or disprove that statement, but I did find that as of October 15, 2013 Brees was tied for 10th with the most career pick sixes at 19. Manning had 25 at the time and Favre had 35. Although, among all QB's that had thrown at least five pick sixes he is only ranked 111th in pick sixes per pass attempt. Most Pick Sixes Thrown in NFL History I said I believe "since he entered the league", not where he ranks all time. I also said that is the down side to throwing so much. Yes, the number is lower, per attempt, but when you throw it as much as we do you run the high risk of disaster. You gotta have some balance. We did in '09. But kind of you to misinterpret my entire post.

10-25-2016, 11:21 PM	#32
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by burningmetal I said I believe "since he entered the league", No, you didn't say that. Gumbo even highlighted what you wrote in his reply.

10-26-2016, 02:13 AM	#34
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by Utah_Saint No, you didn't say that. Gumbo even highlighted what you wrote in his reply. Right, I said "over the course of his career", meaning since he entered the league. I paraphrased myself. It's the exact same thing. And the point was that I was not stating where he ranked among QB's all time in pick sixes. Wow, you really thought you had me on that one, eh?

10-26-2016, 04:00 PM	#35
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by Budsdrinker The only thing I don't like is it appears to me Drew is panicking a little too much and throwing the ball away a little too quick. It is better than throwing a pick or taking a hard hit but I wouldn't mind seeing him maybe scramble a bit and gain a couple positive yards then slide. I much prefer 2nd and 7 over 2nd and 10. Still allows the chance to run the ball. Someone said he threw that pick because he felt he had to throw the ball and make a play because of his defense. Yet, the game was tied and it was after the first drive the defense allowed a score. Even the best teams don't have a lead every game. We didn't in 2009. Offenses are better than then and this team has too many standards for the defense. Some think we should have held this team to 13 because it's the chiefs' offense.

10-26-2016, 04:02 PM	#36
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo That pick was on butterfingers, not Drew. Many of INTs (as all QBs) are from good throws. He was targeting Snead on that pick? As I said Snead does not show up in tougher games.

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10-26-2016, 04:09 PM	#37
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by 73Saint Brees was statistically the third best QB in the NFL last week. He's (yet again) playing at an elite, HOF level. And that's with a subpar (putting it mildly) supporting cast. Want to talk about something how about how this franchise could well go down in history as having wasted one of the best ever QB talents without even so much as sniffing the playoffs last 5 or so years of his career... Oh and the INT, about a foot off. 12", other than that he was perfect. I'll settle for that Loss of Step anyday. And who's to blame for that? Getting rid of who we got rid of in 2014 was why. Jenkins might not have been what he is now but the defense probably stays the same or just a little worse. SP got a bit butt hurt over losing to Seattle and reacted impulsively.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by BusDriver I say the defender got there a tad early and that caused Sneed to end up face-masking the ball to Sorenson. IIRC Actually, Eric Berry reached around Snead and got just enough of a hand on the ball to deflect it up and off Snead's face mask and lucky into Soreson's hands. Snead had position on the defender and Brees threw a good accurate pass. Berry simply made an outstanding play that should have been an incompletion, but the Saints just caught a very unlucky break. Google the play. It is out there. BusDriver likes this.

10-26-2016, 05:23 PM	#40
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Bree's lost a step? It was hard to tell in real time who deflected it, Snead or the defender, but you could see that he was bearing down on Snead and the ball shouldn't have been thrown. That is a play where at other times you could throw it low and protect the receiver, but there was a D-lineman right in front of Drew with his hand in the air, so I'm pretty sure he threw it high on purpose. And that was a mistake. Never throw high into traffic. BusDriver likes this.

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