Bree's lost a step?

WillSaints81 · 10-26-2016, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by 73Saint

Brees was statistically the third best QB in the NFL last week. He's (yet again) playing at an elite, HOF level. And that's with a subpar (putting it mildly) supporting cast.

Want to talk about something how about how this franchise could well go down in history as having wasted one of the best ever QB talents without even so much as sniffing the playoffs last 5 or so years of his career...

Oh and the INT, about a foot off. 12", other than that he was perfect. I'll settle for that Loss of Step anyday.

And who's to blame for that? Getting rid of who we got rid of in 2014 was why. Jenkins might not have been what he is now but the defense probably stays the same or just a little worse. SP got a bit butt hurt over losing to Seattle and reacted impulsively.

NOLA54 · 10-25-2016, 04:42 PM

Maybe if our run game was better he wouldn't have to throw so much.

Danno · 10-25-2016, 05:09 PM

He hasn't lost squat

exiled · 10-25-2016, 06:33 PM

If DB came to the Saints in 2016 as another late career QB (ie Bobby Douglas, Kenny Stabler). He would still be one of the best QBs we ever had.

AsylumGuido · 10-25-2016, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by exiled

If DB came to the Saints in 2016 as another late career QB (ie Bobby Douglas, Kenny Stabler). He would still be one of the best QBs we ever had.

This is very true. I was so pumped when we got Stabler. But, just like Manning, he had no help at all.

jeanpierre · 10-25-2016, 10:28 PM

Pick 6's (Career)

Rank Player Pick6

1 Brett Favre+ 31

2 Dan Marino+ 28

3 Peyton Manning 27

4 Drew Brees 26

5 Vinny Testaverde 23

6 Carson Palmer 20

6 Eli Manning 20

6 Steve DeBerg 20

6 Kerry Collins 20

10 Philip Rivers 19

NFL Career QB Pick Six Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com

BusDriver · 10-26-2016, 03:34 PM

I say the defender got there a tad early and that caused Sneed to end up face-masking the ball to Sorenson. IIRC

AsylumGuido · 10-26-2016, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by BusDriver

I say the defender got there a tad early and that caused Sneed to end up face-masking the ball to Sorenson. IIRC

Actually, Eric Berry reached around Snead and got just enough of a hand on the ball to deflect it up and off Snead's face mask and lucky into Soreson's hands. Snead had position on the defender and Brees threw a good accurate pass. Berry simply made an outstanding play that should have been an incompletion, but the Saints just caught a very unlucky break.

Google the play. It is out there.

burningmetal · 10-26-2016, 04:23 PM

It was hard to tell in real time who deflected it, Snead or the defender, but you could see that he was bearing down on Snead and the ball shouldn't have been thrown. That is a play where at other times you could throw it low and protect the receiver, but there was a D-lineman right in front of Drew with his hand in the air, so I'm pretty sure he threw it high on purpose. And that was a mistake. Never throw high into traffic.

AsylumGuido · 10-26-2016, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

It was hard to tell in real time who deflected it, Snead or the defender, but you could see that he was bearing down on Snead and the ball shouldn't have been thrown. That is a play where at other times you could throw it low and protect the receiver, but there was a D-lineman right in front of Drew with his hand in the air, so I'm pretty sure he threw it high on purpose. And that was a mistake. Never throw high into traffic.

I have watched the play several times. Here it is on this page.

From the time when Brees begins his release until the ball reaches Snead three seconds elapse. As the ball nears Snead, Berry is still behind Snead and moving pretty much at full speed and dives toward the ball and gets the tip. In that three second window Berry was most likely four to five yards behind Snead at the beginning of the Brees release. You can try to put that on Brees if you wish, but it was a tremendous play by Berry as the announcers point out.

10-26-2016, 03:09 PM	#1
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by 73Saint Brees was statistically the third best QB in the NFL last week. He's (yet again) playing at an elite, HOF level. And that's with a subpar (putting it mildly) supporting cast. Want to talk about something how about how this franchise could well go down in history as having wasted one of the best ever QB talents without even so much as sniffing the playoffs last 5 or so years of his career... Oh and the INT, about a foot off. 12", other than that he was perfect. I'll settle for that Loss of Step anyday. And who's to blame for that? Getting rid of who we got rid of in 2014 was why. Jenkins might not have been what he is now but the defense probably stays the same or just a little worse. SP got a bit butt hurt over losing to Seattle and reacted impulsively.

10-25-2016, 04:42 PM	#2
NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Bree's lost a step? Maybe if our run game was better he wouldn't have to throw so much.

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exiled Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: on the road - now based in Austin, TX Posts: 486	Re: Bree's lost a step? If DB came to the Saints in 2016 as another late career QB (ie Bobby Douglas, Kenny Stabler). He would still be one of the best QBs we ever had. AsylumGuido likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by exiled If DB came to the Saints in 2016 as another late career QB (ie Bobby Douglas, Kenny Stabler). He would still be one of the best QBs we ever had. This is very true. I was so pumped when we got Stabler. But, just like Manning, he had no help at all.

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BusDriver 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: ICT Kansas Posts: 183	Re: Bree's lost a step? I say the defender got there a tad early and that caused Sneed to end up face-masking the ball to Sorenson. IIRC

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by BusDriver I say the defender got there a tad early and that caused Sneed to end up face-masking the ball to Sorenson. IIRC Actually, Eric Berry reached around Snead and got just enough of a hand on the ball to deflect it up and off Snead's face mask and lucky into Soreson's hands. Snead had position on the defender and Brees threw a good accurate pass. Berry simply made an outstanding play that should have been an incompletion, but the Saints just caught a very unlucky break. Google the play. It is out there. BusDriver likes this.

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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Bree's lost a step? It was hard to tell in real time who deflected it, Snead or the defender, but you could see that he was bearing down on Snead and the ball shouldn't have been thrown. That is a play where at other times you could throw it low and protect the receiver, but there was a D-lineman right in front of Drew with his hand in the air, so I'm pretty sure he threw it high on purpose. And that was a mistake. Never throw high into traffic. BusDriver likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by burningmetal It was hard to tell in real time who deflected it, Snead or the defender, but you could see that he was bearing down on Snead and the ball shouldn't have been thrown. That is a play where at other times you could throw it low and protect the receiver, but there was a D-lineman right in front of Drew with his hand in the air, so I'm pretty sure he threw it high on purpose. And that was a mistake. Never throw high into traffic. I have watched the play several times. Here it is on this page. From the time when Brees begins his release until the ball reaches Snead three seconds elapse. As the ball nears Snead, Berry is still behind Snead and moving pretty much at full speed and dives toward the ball and gets the tip. In that three second window Berry was most likely four to five yards behind Snead at the beginning of the Brees release. You can try to put that on Brees if you wish, but it was a tremendous play by Berry as the announcers point out. BusDriver likes this.
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