Bree's lost a step?

AsylumGuido · 10-26-2016, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

It was hard to tell in real time who deflected it, Snead or the defender, but you could see that he was bearing down on Snead and the ball shouldn't have been thrown. That is a play where at other times you could throw it low and protect the receiver, but there was a D-lineman right in front of Drew with his hand in the air, so I'm pretty sure he threw it high on purpose. And that was a mistake. Never throw high into traffic.

I have watched the play several times. Here it is on this page.

From the time when Brees begins his release until the ball reaches Snead three seconds elapse. As the ball nears Snead, Berry is still behind Snead and moving pretty much at full speed and dives toward the ball and gets the tip. In that three second window Berry was most likely four to five yards behind Snead at the beginning of the Brees release. You can try to put that on Brees if you wish, but it was a tremendous play by Berry as the announcers point out.

dizzle88 · 10-26-2016, 06:07 PM

After watching the play a couple things become apparent.

Ingram was wide open, Brees panicked as Jahri completely lost his man.
Brees threw off his back foot and the ball hung in the air, a split second earlier or if Brees had located Ingram and it's a first down.

Just overall a bad play, multiple people could be blamed on this play, Brees is not exempt from blame but he just panicked because he had pressure coming right up the gut as he finished his drop back.

My blame goes on Jahri for the awful blocking.

BusDriver · 10-26-2016, 06:11 PM

I only saw it live once, but it was in the middle of my girls college showcase fastpitch tourney, but yeah wish that play turned out different. I'm ready for Seattle game now.

AsylumGuido · 10-26-2016, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by BusDriver

I only saw it live once, but it was in the middle of my girls college showcase fastpitch tourney, but yeah wish that play turned out different. I'm ready for Seattle game now.

Hey, BusDriver, do you own both VW's in your avatar and profile pics?

burningmetal · 10-26-2016, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I have watched the play several times. Here it is on this page.

From the time when Brees begins his release until the ball reaches Snead three seconds elapse. As the ball nears Snead, Berry is still behind Snead and moving pretty much at full speed and dives toward the ball and gets the tip. In that three second window Berry was most likely four to five yards behind Snead at the beginning of the Brees release. You can try to put that on Brees if you wish, but it was a tremendous play by Berry as the announcers point out.

I didn't say it wasn't a good play by Berry. If defenders were never anywhere near the ball and didn't make any plays, we wouldn't be talking about bad offensive plays. That doesn't make the throw a good one, either. I didn't go back and watch the replay. I'm going strictly by memory, and I know that he had a lineman in his face and threw high into traffic, in the middle of the field. That's a big no-no in this game, and we all know that. You said it took three seconds from the time he began his release to the time it reached Snead. I can't confirm that, having not looked at the replay. But if that's true, that is a LONG time to release a ball and throw it 10 or 15 yards. That would indicate he lofted it up too much, which only makes it even more of a mistake.

But I don't honestly remember the velocity of the throw. I just know throwing high over the middle is a mistake. Taking nothing away from Berry... But Berry doesn't make that play if Drew makes a better decision. We're just analyzing one play, though. Overall, I thought Drew played pretty well, other than the numerous times he lost track of the play clock. Penalties and the Ingram fumble were the main culprits for the loss.

The defense held for the most part, by their standards, but they missed a lot of tackles that could have made their day look a lot better. So it's not like I'm blaming the loss on Brees. But the interception was a bad decision, in my opinion.

The Dude · 10-26-2016, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I have watched the play several times. Here it is on this page.

From the time when Brees begins his release until the ball reaches Snead three seconds elapse. As the ball nears Snead, Berry is still behind Snead and moving pretty much at full speed and dives toward the ball and gets the tip. In that three second window Berry was most likely four to five yards behind Snead at the beginning of the Brees release. You can try to put that on Brees if you wish, but it was a tremendous play by Berry as the announcers point out.

has Brees EVER done anything wrong in your eyes? every post you make somehow circles around to Brees never being responsible for anything.

Jamessr · 10-26-2016, 09:06 PM

Its nice to see TheDude is still posting bullsh*t

Saint in Aus · 10-26-2016, 09:33 PM

Our offence isn't even remotely our biggest problem. Just take a look at scores against this season. Our D has no consistency whatsoever. Flashes of brilliance but miles off the consistency it needs to be. We need to make plays for the D-line whether that be in the draft or in FA. And not these ridiculously **** deals like the one we gave to Byrd.

AsylumGuido · 10-26-2016, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by Saint in Aus

Our offence isn't even remotely our biggest problem. Just take a look at scores against this season. Our D has no consistency whatsoever. Flashes of brilliance but miles off the consistency it needs to be. We need to make plays for the D-line whether that be in the draft or in FA. And not these ridiculously **** deals like the one we gave to Byrd.

You mean it isn't Brees' fault? Oh, my!

AsylumGuido · 10-26-2016, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

has Brees EVER done anything wrong in your eyes? every post you make somehow circles around to Brees never being responsible for anything.

Of course he has. Just not on that occasion.

Oh, and nice seeing you FINALLY spelling his name right after all this time.

Bree's

WTF?

10-26-2016, 05:50 PM	#41
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by burningmetal It was hard to tell in real time who deflected it, Snead or the defender, but you could see that he was bearing down on Snead and the ball shouldn't have been thrown. That is a play where at other times you could throw it low and protect the receiver, but there was a D-lineman right in front of Drew with his hand in the air, so I'm pretty sure he threw it high on purpose. And that was a mistake. Never throw high into traffic. I have watched the play several times. Here it is on this page. From the time when Brees begins his release until the ball reaches Snead three seconds elapse. As the ball nears Snead, Berry is still behind Snead and moving pretty much at full speed and dives toward the ball and gets the tip. In that three second window Berry was most likely four to five yards behind Snead at the beginning of the Brees release. You can try to put that on Brees if you wish, but it was a tremendous play by Berry as the announcers point out. BusDriver likes this.
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10-26-2016, 06:07 PM	#42
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Bree's lost a step? After watching the play a couple things become apparent. Ingram was wide open, Brees panicked as Jahri completely lost his man. Brees threw off his back foot and the ball hung in the air, a split second earlier or if Brees had located Ingram and it's a first down. Just overall a bad play, multiple people could be blamed on this play, Brees is not exempt from blame but he just panicked because he had pressure coming right up the gut as he finished his drop back. My blame goes on Jahri for the awful blocking.

10-26-2016, 06:11 PM	#43
BusDriver 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: ICT Kansas Posts: 183	Re: Bree's lost a step? I only saw it live once, but it was in the middle of my girls college showcase fastpitch tourney, but yeah wish that play turned out different. I'm ready for Seattle game now. AsylumGuido likes this.

10-26-2016, 06:13 PM	#44
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by BusDriver I only saw it live once, but it was in the middle of my girls college showcase fastpitch tourney, but yeah wish that play turned out different. I'm ready for Seattle game now. Hey, BusDriver, do you own both VW's in your avatar and profile pics?

10-26-2016, 07:17 PM	#45
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I have watched the play several times. Here it is on this page. From the time when Brees begins his release until the ball reaches Snead three seconds elapse. As the ball nears Snead, Berry is still behind Snead and moving pretty much at full speed and dives toward the ball and gets the tip. In that three second window Berry was most likely four to five yards behind Snead at the beginning of the Brees release. You can try to put that on Brees if you wish, but it was a tremendous play by Berry as the announcers point out. I didn't say it wasn't a good play by Berry. If defenders were never anywhere near the ball and didn't make any plays, we wouldn't be talking about bad offensive plays. That doesn't make the throw a good one, either. I didn't go back and watch the replay. I'm going strictly by memory, and I know that he had a lineman in his face and threw high into traffic, in the middle of the field. That's a big no-no in this game, and we all know that. You said it took three seconds from the time he began his release to the time it reached Snead. I can't confirm that, having not looked at the replay. But if that's true, that is a LONG time to release a ball and throw it 10 or 15 yards. That would indicate he lofted it up too much, which only makes it even more of a mistake. But I don't honestly remember the velocity of the throw. I just know throwing high over the middle is a mistake. Taking nothing away from Berry... But Berry doesn't make that play if Drew makes a better decision. We're just analyzing one play, though. Overall, I thought Drew played pretty well, other than the numerous times he lost track of the play clock. Penalties and the Ingram fumble were the main culprits for the loss. The defense held for the most part, by their standards, but they missed a lot of tackles that could have made their day look a lot better. So it's not like I'm blaming the loss on Brees. But the interception was a bad decision, in my opinion.
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10-26-2016, 08:37 PM	#46
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I have watched the play several times. Here it is on this page. From the time when Brees begins his release until the ball reaches Snead three seconds elapse. As the ball nears Snead, Berry is still behind Snead and moving pretty much at full speed and dives toward the ball and gets the tip. In that three second window Berry was most likely four to five yards behind Snead at the beginning of the Brees release. You can try to put that on Brees if you wish, but it was a tremendous play by Berry as the announcers point out. has Brees EVER done anything wrong in your eyes? every post you make somehow circles around to Brees never being responsible for anything. burningmetal likes this.
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10-26-2016, 09:06 PM	#47
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Bree's lost a step? Its nice to see TheDude is still posting bullsh*t AsylumGuido likes this.

10-26-2016, 09:33 PM	#48
Saint in Aus 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 468	Re: Bree's lost a step? Our offence isn't even remotely our biggest problem. Just take a look at scores against this season. Our D has no consistency whatsoever. Flashes of brilliance but miles off the consistency it needs to be. We need to make plays for the D-line whether that be in the draft or in FA. And not these ridiculously **** deals like the one we gave to Byrd. AsylumGuido likes this.

10-26-2016, 10:09 PM	#49
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by Saint in Aus Our offence isn't even remotely our biggest problem. Just take a look at scores against this season. Our D has no consistency whatsoever. Flashes of brilliance but miles off the consistency it needs to be. We need to make plays for the D-line whether that be in the draft or in FA. And not these ridiculously **** deals like the one we gave to Byrd. You mean it isn't Brees' fault? Oh, my!

10-26-2016, 10:12 PM	#50
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by The Dude has Brees EVER done anything wrong in your eyes? every post you make somehow circles around to Brees never being responsible for anything. Of course he has. Just not on that occasion. Oh, and nice seeing you FINALLY spelling his name right after all this time. Bree's WTF?

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