Bree's lost a step?

burningmetal · 10-25-2016, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint

This is a reactionary thread to something that someone (me) posted in another thread.
Part of my post said that I bet my son $20 that Drew would throw a pick6 in KC.
Someone (Dude) took that to mean that Drew throws more overall ints than other QBs.
He HAS thrown, to my mind, a lot more pick6s that other great QBs over the years.
That is why I made the bet with my son and also why I won that bet.
Now we have another sarcastic-ass thread trolling Brees' perceived decline.
Check the time codes from the reply to my post to the start of this thread.

I didn't see where you said any of that, but you weren't wrong. I believe he has the most pick sixes in the NFL over the course of his career. There IS a downside to all the passes he throws, despite what his completion percentage would indicate. My only clue of a decline from Brees has been the excessive amount of dump off throws. Part of it has been bad O-line play, but he also seems like he gives up too quick. His decision making just hasn't been as sharp.

But by no means has anything gone "kaput" with him. If this offensive line were better, not just against the pass rush, but if they could provide a running game, our offense could be 2011 good again. To me it's as simple as that.

AsylumGuido · 10-25-2016, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I didn't see where you said any of that, but you weren't wrong. I believe he has the most pick sixes in the NFL over the course of his career. There IS a downside to all the passes he throws, despite what his completion percentage would indicate. My only clue of a decline from Brees has been the excessive amount of dump off throws. Part of it has been bad O-line play, but he also seems like he gives up too quick. His decision making just hasn't been as sharp.

But by no means has anything gone "kaput" with him. If this offensive line were better, not just against the pass rush, but if they could provide a running game, our offense could be 2011 good again. To me it's as simple as that.

Been trying to verify or disprove that statement, but I did find that as of October 15, 2013 Brees was tied for 10th with the most career pick sixes at 19. Manning had 25 at the time and Favre had 35. Although, among all QB's that had thrown at least five pick sixes he is only ranked 111th in pick sixes per pass attempt.

Most Pick Sixes Thrown in NFL History

Utah_Saint · 10-25-2016, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Been trying to verify or disprove that statement, but I did find that as of October 15, 2013 Brees was tied for 10th with the most career pick sixes at 19. Manning had 25 at the time and Favre had 35. Although, among all QB's that had thrown at least five pick sixes he is only ranked 111th in pick sixes per pass attempt.

Most Pick Sixes Thrown in NFL History

Drew's now 4th on the list of total Pick 6's thrown

Brett Favre - 35 - .32% of attempts
Dan Marino - 30 - .33%
Payton Manning - 29 - .31%
Drew Brees - 26 - .31%

He's now 90th in pick 6/pass attempt.

Not bad company. All 4 are QBs that had to carry their teams most of their careers.

AsylumGuido · 10-25-2016, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Drew's now 4th on the list of total Pick 6's thrown

Brett Favre - 35 - .32% of attempts
Dan Marino - 30 - .33%
Payton Manning - 29 - .31%
Drew Brees - 26 - .31%

He's now 90th in pick 6/pass attempt.

Not bad company. All 4 are QBs that had to carry their teams most of their careers.

So he doesn't suck? Wow!

AsylumGuido · 10-25-2016, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Drew's now 4th on the list of total Pick 6's thrown

Brett Favre - 35 - .32% of attempts
Dan Marino - 30 - .33%
Payton Manning - 29 - .31%
Drew Brees - 26 - .31%

He's now 90th in pick 6/pass attempt.

Not bad company. All 4 are QBs that had to carry their teams most of their careers.

Oh, and thanks for finishing the research. Busy trying to get dinner ready. Not easy these days with a bum spine.

burningmetal · 10-25-2016, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Been trying to verify or disprove that statement, but I did find that as of October 15, 2013 Brees was tied for 10th with the most career pick sixes at 19. Manning had 25 at the time and Favre had 35. Although, among all QB's that had thrown at least five pick sixes he is only ranked 111th in pick sixes per pass attempt.

Most Pick Sixes Thrown in NFL History

I said I believe "since he entered the league", not where he ranks all time. I also said that is the down side to throwing so much. Yes, the number is lower, per attempt, but when you throw it as much as we do you run the high risk of disaster. You gotta have some balance. We did in '09.

But kind of you to misinterpret my entire post.

Utah_Saint · 10-25-2016, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I said I believe "since he entered the league",

No, you didn't say that. Gumbo even highlighted what you wrote in his reply.

burningmetal · 10-26-2016, 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

No, you didn't say that. Gumbo even highlighted what you wrote in his reply.

Right, I said "over the course of his career", meaning since he entered the league. I paraphrased myself. It's the exact same thing. And the point was that I was not stating where he ranked among QB's all time in pick sixes.

Wow, you really thought you had me on that one, eh?

10-25-2016, 04:03 PM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint This is a reactionary thread to something that someone (me) posted in another thread. Part of my post said that I bet my son $20 that Drew would throw a pick6 in KC. Someone (Dude) took that to mean that Drew throws more overall ints than other QBs. He HAS thrown, to my mind, a lot more pick6s that other great QBs over the years. That is why I made the bet with my son and also why I won that bet. Now we have another sarcastic-ass thread trolling Brees' perceived decline. Check the time codes from the reply to my post to the start of this thread. I didn't see where you said any of that, but you weren't wrong. I believe he has the most pick sixes in the NFL over the course of his career. There IS a downside to all the passes he throws, despite what his completion percentage would indicate. My only clue of a decline from Brees has been the excessive amount of dump off throws. Part of it has been bad O-line play, but he also seems like he gives up too quick. His decision making just hasn't been as sharp. But by no means has anything gone "kaput" with him. If this offensive line were better, not just against the pass rush, but if they could provide a running game, our offense could be 2011 good again. To me it's as simple as that. Rugby Saint II likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

10-25-2016, 05:20 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by burningmetal I didn't see where you said any of that, but you weren't wrong. I believe he has the most pick sixes in the NFL over the course of his career. There IS a downside to all the passes he throws, despite what his completion percentage would indicate. My only clue of a decline from Brees has been the excessive amount of dump off throws. Part of it has been bad O-line play, but he also seems like he gives up too quick. His decision making just hasn't been as sharp. But by no means has anything gone "kaput" with him. If this offensive line were better, not just against the pass rush, but if they could provide a running game, our offense could be 2011 good again. To me it's as simple as that. Been trying to verify or disprove that statement, but I did find that as of October 15, 2013 Brees was tied for 10th with the most career pick sixes at 19. Manning had 25 at the time and Favre had 35. Although, among all QB's that had thrown at least five pick sixes he is only ranked 111th in pick sixes per pass attempt. Most Pick Sixes Thrown in NFL History

10-25-2016, 05:59 PM	#3
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Been trying to verify or disprove that statement, but I did find that as of October 15, 2013 Brees was tied for 10th with the most career pick sixes at 19. Manning had 25 at the time and Favre had 35. Although, among all QB's that had thrown at least five pick sixes he is only ranked 111th in pick sixes per pass attempt. Most Pick Sixes Thrown in NFL History Drew's now 4th on the list of total Pick 6's thrown Brett Favre - 35 - .32% of attempts Dan Marino - 30 - .33% Payton Manning - 29 - .31% Drew Brees - 26 - .31% He's now 90th in pick 6/pass attempt. Not bad company. All 4 are QBs that had to carry their teams most of their careers. AsylumGuido likes this.

10-25-2016, 06:03 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Drew's now 4th on the list of total Pick 6's thrown Brett Favre - 35 - .32% of attempts Dan Marino - 30 - .33% Payton Manning - 29 - .31% Drew Brees - 26 - .31% He's now 90th in pick 6/pass attempt. Not bad company. All 4 are QBs that had to carry their teams most of their careers. So he doesn't suck? Wow!

10-25-2016, 06:05 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Drew's now 4th on the list of total Pick 6's thrown Brett Favre - 35 - .32% of attempts Dan Marino - 30 - .33% Payton Manning - 29 - .31% Drew Brees - 26 - .31% He's now 90th in pick 6/pass attempt. Not bad company. All 4 are QBs that had to carry their teams most of their careers. Oh, and thanks for finishing the research. Busy trying to get dinner ready. Not easy these days with a bum spine. Rugby Saint II and Utah_Saint like this.

10-25-2016, 09:24 PM	#6
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Been trying to verify or disprove that statement, but I did find that as of October 15, 2013 Brees was tied for 10th with the most career pick sixes at 19. Manning had 25 at the time and Favre had 35. Although, among all QB's that had thrown at least five pick sixes he is only ranked 111th in pick sixes per pass attempt. Most Pick Sixes Thrown in NFL History I said I believe "since he entered the league", not where he ranks all time. I also said that is the down side to throwing so much. Yes, the number is lower, per attempt, but when you throw it as much as we do you run the high risk of disaster. You gotta have some balance. We did in '09. But kind of you to misinterpret my entire post.

10-25-2016, 10:21 PM	#7
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by burningmetal I said I believe "since he entered the league", No, you didn't say that. Gumbo even highlighted what you wrote in his reply.

10-26-2016, 01:13 AM	#8
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by Utah_Saint No, you didn't say that. Gumbo even highlighted what you wrote in his reply. Right, I said "over the course of his career", meaning since he entered the league. I paraphrased myself. It's the exact same thing. And the point was that I was not stating where he ranked among QB's all time in pick sixes. Wow, you really thought you had me on that one, eh?

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