Bree's lost a step?

The Dude · 10-24-2016, 10:16 PM

His accuracy is going kaput. Who is out there to draft? There is definitely nobody in the league now that would hold a candle to him. I think his contract was structured the way it is to benefit both parties. Saints get a year or two to draft and develop someone and Brees gets the opportunity to play for someone else for a year or two. It's got to happen but how? How are the prospects?

Bree's is still playing at an all pro level and will be a top 5 Qb again after this year. There is not a whole lot of blame to put on the guy. Qbs throw interceptions it happens.

VegasSaint9 · 10-24-2016, 11:20 PM

No offense, but this is kind of a ****post

burningmetal · 10-24-2016, 11:26 PM

I'm a bit confused by this, myself. You said his accuracy is going "kaput" and that he's playing like an all-pro, in the same post. Those two things sort of contradict one another. It's gotta be either one or the other.

Also, what's up with the apostrophe in his name?

Utah_Saint · 10-24-2016, 11:37 PM

Don't worry. Drew's accuracy this season, 68.5%, is still above his career average, 66.4%, and his career average is the highest in the history of the NFL.

darstep · 10-24-2016, 11:37 PM

Brees would be even better if our O-line was stable.
Stable as in consistent personnel wise and production in the run game.
I'm sure Brees would be happy anywhere near 30/30 run/pass.
If we could consistently get 4-5 yards on 1st down, it would change everything.
If we could consistently run convert on 3rd-and-1, that would be a big plus.
At the moment play action doesn't freeze anybody. Other teams are not even concerned.
They know Brees is going to throw 40+ times, so the run for them is an after thought,
because it seems to be an after thought for us too.
Whoever Drew's replacement is will inherit the same predicament unless
Payton decides to do something about it.
We have to develop a run game to take the pressure off whoever comes next.
Drew can handle carrying that kind of load - proven - can't see who else could.
Escapability might be the only advantage some new guy might have.
And that has proven dangerous in recent years.

jnormand · 10-24-2016, 11:49 PM

What?

RockyMountainSaint · 10-25-2016, 12:01 AM

This is a reactionary thread to something that someone (me) posted in another thread.
Part of my post said that I bet my son $20 that Drew would throw a pick6 in KC.
Someone (Dude) took that to mean that Drew throws more overall ints than other QBs.
He HAS thrown, to my mind, a lot more pick6s that other great QBs over the years.
That is why I made the bet with my son and also why I won that bet.
Now we have another sarcastic-ass thread trolling Brees' perceived decline.
Check the time codes from the reply to my post to the start of this thread.

burningmetal · 10-25-2016, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint

This is a reactionary thread to something that someone (me) posted in another thread.
Part of my post said that I bet my son $20 that Drew would throw a pick6 in KC.
Someone (Dude) took that to mean that Drew throws more overall ints than other QBs.
He HAS thrown, to my mind, a lot more pick6s that other great QBs over the years.
That is why I made the bet with my son and also why I won that bet.
Now we have another sarcastic-ass thread trolling Brees' perceived decline.
Check the time codes from the reply to my post to the start of this thread.

I didn't see where you said any of that, but you weren't wrong. I believe he has the most pick sixes in the NFL over the course of his career. There IS a downside to all the passes he throws, despite what his completion percentage would indicate. My only clue of a decline from Brees has been the excessive amount of dump off throws. Part of it has been bad O-line play, but he also seems like he gives up too quick. His decision making just hasn't been as sharp.

But by no means has anything gone "kaput" with him. If this offensive line were better, not just against the pass rush, but if they could provide a running game, our offense could be 2011 good again. To me it's as simple as that.

AsylumGuido · 10-25-2016, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I didn't see where you said any of that, but you weren't wrong. I believe he has the most pick sixes in the NFL over the course of his career. There IS a downside to all the passes he throws, despite what his completion percentage would indicate. My only clue of a decline from Brees has been the excessive amount of dump off throws. Part of it has been bad O-line play, but he also seems like he gives up too quick. His decision making just hasn't been as sharp.

But by no means has anything gone "kaput" with him. If this offensive line were better, not just against the pass rush, but if they could provide a running game, our offense could be 2011 good again. To me it's as simple as that.

Been trying to verify or disprove that statement, but I did find that as of October 15, 2013 Brees was tied for 10th with the most career pick sixes at 19. Manning had 25 at the time and Favre had 35. Although, among all QB's that had thrown at least five pick sixes he is only ranked 111th in pick sixes per pass attempt.

Most Pick Sixes Thrown in NFL History

Utah_Saint · 10-25-2016, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Been trying to verify or disprove that statement, but I did find that as of October 15, 2013 Brees was tied for 10th with the most career pick sixes at 19. Manning had 25 at the time and Favre had 35. Although, among all QB's that had thrown at least five pick sixes he is only ranked 111th in pick sixes per pass attempt.

Most Pick Sixes Thrown in NFL History

Drew's now 4th on the list of total Pick 6's thrown

Brett Favre - 35 - .32% of attempts
Dan Marino - 30 - .33%
Payton Manning - 29 - .31%
Drew Brees - 26 - .31%

He's now 90th in pick 6/pass attempt.

Not bad company. All 4 are QBs that had to carry their teams most of their careers.

10-24-2016, 10:16 PM	#1
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10-24-2016, 11:20 PM	#2
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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Bree's lost a step? I'm a bit confused by this, myself. You said his accuracy is going "kaput" and that he's playing like an all-pro, in the same post. Those two things sort of contradict one another. It's gotta be either one or the other. Also, what's up with the apostrophe in his name? spkb25, SaintGup and SaintsBro like this.

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10-25-2016, 04:03 PM	#8
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint This is a reactionary thread to something that someone (me) posted in another thread. Part of my post said that I bet my son $20 that Drew would throw a pick6 in KC. Someone (Dude) took that to mean that Drew throws more overall ints than other QBs. He HAS thrown, to my mind, a lot more pick6s that other great QBs over the years. That is why I made the bet with my son and also why I won that bet. Now we have another sarcastic-ass thread trolling Brees' perceived decline. Check the time codes from the reply to my post to the start of this thread. I didn't see where you said any of that, but you weren't wrong. I believe he has the most pick sixes in the NFL over the course of his career. There IS a downside to all the passes he throws, despite what his completion percentage would indicate. My only clue of a decline from Brees has been the excessive amount of dump off throws. Part of it has been bad O-line play, but he also seems like he gives up too quick. His decision making just hasn't been as sharp. But by no means has anything gone "kaput" with him. If this offensive line were better, not just against the pass rush, but if they could provide a running game, our offense could be 2011 good again. To me it's as simple as that. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by burningmetal I didn't see where you said any of that, but you weren't wrong. I believe he has the most pick sixes in the NFL over the course of his career. There IS a downside to all the passes he throws, despite what his completion percentage would indicate. My only clue of a decline from Brees has been the excessive amount of dump off throws. Part of it has been bad O-line play, but he also seems like he gives up too quick. His decision making just hasn't been as sharp. But by no means has anything gone "kaput" with him. If this offensive line were better, not just against the pass rush, but if they could provide a running game, our offense could be 2011 good again. To me it's as simple as that. Been trying to verify or disprove that statement, but I did find that as of October 15, 2013 Brees was tied for 10th with the most career pick sixes at 19. Manning had 25 at the time and Favre had 35. Although, among all QB's that had thrown at least five pick sixes he is only ranked 111th in pick sixes per pass attempt. Most Pick Sixes Thrown in NFL History

10-25-2016, 05:59 PM	#10
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Bree's lost a step? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Been trying to verify or disprove that statement, but I did find that as of October 15, 2013 Brees was tied for 10th with the most career pick sixes at 19. Manning had 25 at the time and Favre had 35. Although, among all QB's that had thrown at least five pick sixes he is only ranked 111th in pick sixes per pass attempt. Most Pick Sixes Thrown in NFL History Drew's now 4th on the list of total Pick 6's thrown Brett Favre - 35 - .32% of attempts Dan Marino - 30 - .33% Payton Manning - 29 - .31% Drew Brees - 26 - .31% He's now 90th in pick 6/pass attempt. Not bad company. All 4 are QBs that had to carry their teams most of their careers. AsylumGuido likes this.

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