Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)

JKool · 03-12-2005, 12:21 PM

When I first read this, I thought \"Nooooooooo!\"

Dat Nguyen is undersized and will be in trouble here in NO.

Then I looked at a few things:

(1) He is 5\'11\" and 238 lbs. While he is a bit short, his weight is about in line with a lot of mobile MLBs. Does anyone have any idea of his 40 speed? Not that it really matters since he does actually make plays sideline to sideling.

(2) Then I thought, maybe he\'ll get pushed around here in NO, since our DL is weak in the middle. It seems that Glover at 282 lbs and Carson at 305 lbs are actually smaller than our interior linemen with Green 320 lbs and Young at 298 lbs.

(3) Then I thought, well maybe our guys cannot make plays the way that Glover and Carson can. Not so! While Carson and Glover had 43 and 41 tackles respectively and 0.5 and 7 sacks - for a total of 84 tackles and 7.5 sacks, our two (using Green who didn\'t start every game this season) had 27 and 59 tackles for Green and Howard respectively and 2.5 sacks - for a total of 86 tackles and only 2.5 sacks. So Glover is more likely to get into the backfield, but our run defense is about the same in the middle as Dallas\'.

(4) Then I thought, maybe Dallas\' ends picked up some slack... really! No I didn\'t. Our boys are first rate there. Did you guys notice that Grant had 78.5 tackles! Damn. That is pretty darned good for an end. Sure he drove up field way too often at the start of the year, but he must have figured out what he was doing at some point about mid-season.

Dat Nugyen for president! He may be a bit small, but he had 100 tackles in the last two seasons without guys any better than ours in the middle of the DL. In fact, he may be better protected from opposing linemen here than he was there. Furthermore, since his career started he has only missed 14 out of a possible 96 games. And he got 3 INTs last year from the MLB position, so he plays aginst the pass too!

Finally, he is entering his 7th season, so he is still good for roughly another 3 years at this level of production!

Make this trade, do it!

Finally, if we get there 2nd rounder, will that get us the 43rd pick?

Sounds to me like win-win. We\'d only need MAYBE one more LB, and we\'d be getting vetran leadership on the defense! This opens many options.

chRxis · 03-12-2005, 12:45 PM

know who else was small.... mike singletary and sam mills... no one complained about their height, did they?

chRxis · 03-12-2005, 12:50 PM

all you need to know is that this guy plays ****ing balls out football... something most of us saint fans aren\'t used to... he will, no matter how tall he is, how fast he runs, how many times he can bench press a volvo, play every down as it were his last week in, week out as he has done for last several years for the cowboys.... in college this kid was a stud and made a smooth transition to the pros where he has continued his success.... the guy flat out plays great football

alsaints113 · 03-12-2005, 01:15 PM

ARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!..................

I just :shockedbig:

then

then

then :killtard:

then after all that I finally :dancingmonkey:

I hope this goes through....now who are we going to get for Tesucky Jones?...Patrick Surtain? Who else on the Dolphins do the y want to get rid of?

saintswhodi · 03-12-2005, 01:29 PM

I don\'t post for a few hours and come back to news like this? I am with BNB, I don\'t really like Nguyen, and I get to see the Cowboys pretty much every Sunday. That being said, the second rounder in addition makes this deal a 100% do it all the way. I am with those who would have preferred Sharper, bit getting Sharper we would give up a pick(only a 4th though) but getting Nguyen we get a starting MLB AND an extra pick and keep our 4th. I am on board.

chRxis · 03-12-2005, 02:06 PM

why is nguyen not a good player? all he does is consistently tackle and rarely gets beat straight up.... i\'m not understanding why nobody sees him as a good player... the second rd. pick is the clincher, but i think in this situation we\'d be getting a damn fine football player in nguyen...

saintswhodi · 03-12-2005, 02:18 PM

Nguyen, IMO, is a very good defender to help against stopping the run, which we need, but he struggles in space. He is an UPGRADE, but would not be my first choice if I had to choose between him and Sharper. Plus in running game, liability in passing game. I know JKool would say he will come off the field on pass plays, but that would be for OBVIOUS passing downs. Teams that pass from stacked sets, like Carolina, is where we will se his limitations in space. Why would Dallas just throw him in if he was so good, PLUS a second? Think about it. That deal is way lop-sided. BUT, he will be an upgrade like I said.

TayTay · 03-12-2005, 02:28 PM

He\'s not a liability in passing game.
He had 3 INT\'s this year.
That is very good for a MLB.

Saintsguru · 03-12-2005, 02:31 PM

hey man....check out my mock in the other forum...i have a pretty good trade in it IMO for us

turbo_dog · 03-12-2005, 02:35 PM

WhoDat, the other 2nd rounder is what we used for Mckenzie.

This trade sounds like a blockbuster for us. If it were just Dat Nguyen I wouldn\'t be excited. But the 2nd rounder and a good LB? That is really going to be useful, because I think this draft is going to be full of 2nd round talent in the positions we need to focus on.

03-12-2005, 12:21 PM	#21
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?) When I first read this, I thought \"Nooooooooo!\" Dat Nguyen is undersized and will be in trouble here in NO. Then I looked at a few things: (1) He is 5\'11\" and 238 lbs. While he is a bit short, his weight is about in line with a lot of mobile MLBs. Does anyone have any idea of his 40 speed? Not that it really matters since he does actually make plays sideline to sideling. (2) Then I thought, maybe he\'ll get pushed around here in NO, since our DL is weak in the middle. It seems that Glover at 282 lbs and Carson at 305 lbs are actually smaller than our interior linemen with Green 320 lbs and Young at 298 lbs. (3) Then I thought, well maybe our guys cannot make plays the way that Glover and Carson can. Not so! While Carson and Glover had 43 and 41 tackles respectively and 0.5 and 7 sacks - for a total of 84 tackles and 7.5 sacks, our two (using Green who didn\'t start every game this season) had 27 and 59 tackles for Green and Howard respectively and 2.5 sacks - for a total of 86 tackles and only 2.5 sacks. So Glover is more likely to get into the backfield, but our run defense is about the same in the middle as Dallas\'. (4) Then I thought, maybe Dallas\' ends picked up some slack... really! No I didn\'t. Our boys are first rate there. Did you guys notice that Grant had 78.5 tackles! Damn. That is pretty darned good for an end. Sure he drove up field way too often at the start of the year, but he must have figured out what he was doing at some point about mid-season. Dat Nugyen for president! He may be a bit small, but he had 100 tackles in the last two seasons without guys any better than ours in the middle of the DL. In fact, he may be better protected from opposing linemen here than he was there. Furthermore, since his career started he has only missed 14 out of a possible 96 games. And he got 3 INTs last year from the MLB position, so he plays aginst the pass too! Finally, he is entering his 7th season, so he is still good for roughly another 3 years at this level of production! Make this trade, do it! Finally, if we get there 2nd rounder, will that get us the 43rd pick? Sounds to me like win-win. We\'d only need MAYBE one more LB, and we\'d be getting vetran leadership on the defense! This opens many options.
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03-12-2005, 12:45 PM	#22
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?) know who else was small.... mike singletary and sam mills... no one complained about their height, did they?

03-12-2005, 12:50 PM	#23
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?) all you need to know is that this guy plays ****ing balls out football... something most of us saint fans aren\'t used to... he will, no matter how tall he is, how fast he runs, how many times he can bench press a volvo, play every down as it were his last week in, week out as he has done for last several years for the cowboys.... in college this kid was a stud and made a smooth transition to the pros where he has continued his success.... the guy flat out plays great football

03-12-2005, 01:15 PM	#24
alsaints113 Registered Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 95	Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?) ARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!.................. I just :shockedbig: then then then :killtard: then after all that I finally :dancingmonkey: I hope this goes through....now who are we going to get for Tesucky Jones?...Patrick Surtain? Who else on the Dolphins do the y want to get rid of?
alsaints113 Registered Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 95

03-12-2005, 01:29 PM	#25
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?) I don\'t post for a few hours and come back to news like this? I am with BNB, I don\'t really like Nguyen, and I get to see the Cowboys pretty much every Sunday. That being said, the second rounder in addition makes this deal a 100% do it all the way. I am with those who would have preferred Sharper, bit getting Sharper we would give up a pick(only a 4th though) but getting Nguyen we get a starting MLB AND an extra pick and keep our 4th. I am on board.

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03-12-2005, 02:06 PM	#26
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?) why is nguyen not a good player? all he does is consistently tackle and rarely gets beat straight up.... i\'m not understanding why nobody sees him as a good player... the second rd. pick is the clincher, but i think in this situation we\'d be getting a damn fine football player in nguyen...

03-12-2005, 02:18 PM	#27
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?) Nguyen, IMO, is a very good defender to help against stopping the run, which we need, but he struggles in space. He is an UPGRADE, but would not be my first choice if I had to choose between him and Sharper. Plus in running game, liability in passing game. I know JKool would say he will come off the field on pass plays, but that would be for OBVIOUS passing downs. Teams that pass from stacked sets, like Carolina, is where we will se his limitations in space. Why would Dallas just throw him in if he was so good, PLUS a second? Think about it. That deal is way lop-sided. BUT, he will be an upgrade like I said.

03-12-2005, 02:28 PM	#28
TayTay 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 118	Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?) He\'s not a liability in passing game. He had 3 INT\'s this year. That is very good for a MLB.
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03-12-2005, 02:31 PM	#29
Saintsguru Rookie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1	Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?) hey man....check out my mock in the other forum...i have a pretty good trade in it IMO for us
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03-12-2005, 02:35 PM	#30
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,576	Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?) WhoDat, the other 2nd rounder is what we used for Mckenzie. This trade sounds like a blockbuster for us. If it were just Dat Nguyen I wouldn\'t be excited. But the 2nd rounder and a good LB? That is really going to be useful, because I think this draft is going to be full of 2nd round talent in the positions we need to focus on.