Joe Horn 2

JKool · 03-14-2005, 01:36 PM

JKool · 03-14-2005, 01:37 PM

So, Who, you agree with me that \"viable replacement\" is relevant to how much we should be willing to pay for Joe?

WhoDat · 03-14-2005, 01:42 PM

Sure... in context.

spkb25 · 03-14-2005, 04:08 PM

i dont see how we can let horn go this year. i do think he has 3 years left not much more. i would like to see us pay the guy with in reason and keep him. we dont have anyone that can take over for him. if we did then we could let him go. but we dont. we need him for at least one more year. problem is he isnt going to sign a one or two year deal. really you cant blame the guy either. but hopefully we can sign him to a three year deal and be on with it. i dont want to see him retire anywhere else

frankeefrank · 03-15-2005, 12:33 AM

My point was... production slips...
age does matter, the numbers say so.

Take the NE example and let\'s let Joe play through 2005 then let him go. Cap means more in today;s NFL

Deuce is another one. I know this is not popular here, but Ricky W was our starting tailback the year we won a playoff game. Just food for thought

LKelley67 · 03-15-2005, 12:59 AM

if joe\'s catches would continue to paralell rice\'s with age we would expect this number of catches in the coming years-

2005- 6
2006- 71
2007- 58

GumboBC · 03-15-2005, 07:44 AM

Joe Horn simply isn\'t a big play guy. When Joe catches the ball, he usually gets tackled where ever he is standing.

ANYONE disagree with that? WhoDat? ANYBODY?

GoldenTomb · 03-15-2005, 08:11 AM

Geez it isn\'t like the guy is 6\'3\'\' or 6\'4\'\'....he\'s an average sized reciever who\'s in his early 30s.

I think that you guys won\'t be happy with any reciever we get if you aren\'t happy with Horn.

Sure he\'s not a big play reciever, but how many guys are??? He is a consistent reciever that has performed at a high level over the past 4 years, and is the sole reason that Bubblehead Brooks has maintained an ounce of legitimacy.

Danno · 03-15-2005, 08:30 AM

Depends what you mean by big-play.

Third and 13, game on the line, my money is on Horn making that catch.

WhoDat · 03-15-2005, 08:47 AM

ANYONE disagree with that? WhoDat? ANYBODY?

106 20+ yard catches.
28 40+ yard catches.

Longs of 73, 52, 65, 59, and 63 as a Saint. 52 TDs. Yeah, Joe knows nothing about making big plays.

I\'d be willing to bet that Joe Horn has been involved in 50% of the game changing big plays in the Saints favor over the last two or three seasons at least. Think about it. When the Saints are down (97% of the time), and they come back (45% of the time), who is the guy who is always making the play? Joe Horn.

People point to a single dropped pass in the TB game. Sure, he\'s dropped some passes - every single WR in the NFL has.

The argument now is that Joe Horn\'s YAC is low and therefore he isn\'t a great WR??? Joe Montana threw a lot of very short completions, and his yards per attempt were low - therefore, he was never a top 5 QB.

But hey, let\'s let Joe, Deuce, and Howard leave through fee agency. We\'ve got more pressing and important players to sign to long-term deals - guys like Bentley and McKenzie, who are clearly the heart and sole of this team. :casstet:

Like Danno said, with the game on the line, the Saints simply have no better option than Joe Horn.

[Edited on 15/3/2005 by WhoDat]

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JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Joe Horn 2 So, Who, you agree with me that \"viable replacement\" is relevant to how much we should be willing to pay for Joe?

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WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Joe Horn 2 Sure... in context.
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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	Joe Horn 2 i dont see how we can let horn go this year. i do think he has 3 years left not much more. i would like to see us pay the guy with in reason and keep him. we dont have anyone that can take over for him. if we did then we could let him go. but we dont. we need him for at least one more year. problem is he isnt going to sign a one or two year deal. really you cant blame the guy either. but hopefully we can sign him to a three year deal and be on with it. i dont want to see him retire anywhere else
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frankeefrank 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 775	Joe Horn 2 My point was... production slips... age does matter, the numbers say so. Take the NE example and let\'s let Joe play through 2005 then let him go. Cap means more in today;s NFL Deuce is another one. I know this is not popular here, but Ricky W was our starting tailback the year we won a playoff game. Just food for thought
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GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Joe Horn 2 Joe Horn simply isn\'t a big play guy. When Joe catches the ball, he usually gets tackled where ever he is standing. ANYONE disagree with that? WhoDat? ANYBODY?
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GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Joe Horn 2 Geez it isn\'t like the guy is 6\'3\'\' or 6\'4\'\'....he\'s an average sized reciever who\'s in his early 30s. I think that you guys won\'t be happy with any reciever we get if you aren\'t happy with Horn. Sure he\'s not a big play reciever, but how many guys are??? He is a consistent reciever that has performed at a high level over the past 4 years, and is the sole reason that Bubblehead Brooks has maintained an ounce of legitimacy.
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WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Joe Horn 2 ANYONE disagree with that? WhoDat? ANYBODY? 106 20+ yard catches. 28 40+ yard catches. Longs of 73, 52, 65, 59, and 63 as a Saint. 52 TDs. Yeah, Joe knows nothing about making big plays. I\'d be willing to bet that Joe Horn has been involved in 50% of the game changing big plays in the Saints favor over the last two or three seasons at least. Think about it. When the Saints are down (97% of the time), and they come back (45% of the time), who is the guy who is always making the play? Joe Horn. People point to a single dropped pass in the TB game. Sure, he\'s dropped some passes - every single WR in the NFL has. The argument now is that Joe Horn\'s YAC is low and therefore he isn\'t a great WR??? Joe Montana threw a lot of very short completions, and his yards per attempt were low - therefore, he was never a top 5 QB. But hey, let\'s let Joe, Deuce, and Howard leave through fee agency. We\'ve got more pressing and important players to sign to long-term deals - guys like Bentley and McKenzie, who are clearly the heart and sole of this team. :casstet: Like Danno said, with the game on the line, the Saints simply have no better option than Joe Horn. [Edited on 15/3/2005 by WhoDat]
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