Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position
 

Dude I feel you on the injuries, I do, but at the same point this is at least two years in a row of the horrendous injury situation. WTF do you do keep signing the 7-9 coach because injuries are off the charts?

Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position
 

One of the few reasons that make sense. Although I don't think its wise to fire the head coach.

This is where the GM should step in and demand that something be done about the excessive injuries we seem to have every year.

Its not the ordinary amount, its freaking absurd the amount of injuries we have compare to the rest of the league.

Two moves Loomis should demand... fire the special teams coach and the person responsible for keeping our boys injury free.

Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position
 

You seriously connect the best offensive coach in the history of the Saints, if not in the entire NFL, to injuries, mainly on the defensive side of the ball? You don't think it bugs the crap out of him, as well?

Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position
 

Fire God? Or maybe Mother Nature? If there was an absolute recipe to preventing injuries it would be worth billions.

Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position
 

at the end of the day you win or lose. we had 3/4 of our secondary out against the skins in 09 and against the pats. you win or you lose, if you lose you find a new job

Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position
 

At the end of the day the only thing that matters in the Not For Long league is winning. Payton has plenty of problems right now. Can he correct the ship, who knows ,but if he don't he want be here much longer.

Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position
 

Playoffs or bust in 2017.

Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position
 

If it was up to fans. Or some fans.

Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position
 

There are at least three competing ideas going on above. Let's unpack them:

1. Frustrated with 7-9. Clear and understandable.

2. A new coach will eliminate #1. Odds are against.

3. Nothing is changing. True but not due to no idea of new coach.

Well that's the norm in the NFL, so it's not unexpected. There's a reason that 20-40% of the league turns over coaching staffs each and every year. There's also the fact that playoff teams turn over close to half the roster from year to year.

So it seems that the issue from your viewpoint in short is that there is only one Bill Belichick, and the Saints do not have him. And coaching trees do not work. Folks like Crennel, McDaniels, and the like who have had opportunities did not turn their organization into the Patriots.

The fact is that folks like Payton, McCarthy, and Harbaugh (the Ravens one), have in fact accomplished the task where folks who are arguably better, such as Andy Reid, or back in the day Marty Shottenheimer couldn't get done, and that's win a SuperBowl.

Payton and the other past single/double winners will each likely go the path of Tom Coughlin. It's going to take having someone on the coaching staff that's doing such a magnificent job that when the vultures come a calling, the organization panics and elevates the guy to keep them.

Considering that the last two times this has happened has been in New York and Tampa Bay, both of which are trending up after the boot of Coughlin and Lovie Smith, that may end up being the new NFL trend for cycling coaches.

But honestly do you see either Carmichael or Dennis Allen as one of those guys? Allen has already had his shot with the Raiders, and it didn't go well.

The bottom line is that changes need to have a plan if you want to execute them. History already tells us that 7-9 and 8-8 are not an impediment to jumping up and grabbing the ring the very next year. Just look at Dallas this year. From 4-12 to likely 13-3 in a single year. We all know that Jason Garrett should have been fired last year after going 4-12, right? Or Carolina's 12-4 7-8-1 15-1 and likely 7-9 the last 4 years.

A lot of times this is simply due to the cycle of the schedule. Play a couple of weak divisions with an up year for your team and a down year for your division and suddenly you're 13-3 and have home field.

As far as I can see, there's only one guy that's proven it in the NFL and doesn't yet have the ring: Jim Harbaugh. But short of teleporting Michigan's campus off planet while Harbaugh is off scouting, I cannot see how to pry the guy away.

Look, if new meant better, then the Browns should be in the playoffs this year. I'll take stable mediocrity over an unstable mess like that any day of the week.

SFIAH

Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position
 

Can we get Gruden and let Payton go to LA?