Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position
 

Always was, always will be: The offense can win some games, but it's the defense that takes home the rings...

Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position
 

our defense has been good enough for us to have won more than we have, IMHO, do you agree?

Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position
 

All these people that ask "Who would you get to replace him?" As if SP is the only coach that's qualified. I'll post these facts again, and then you tell me WHY it's not a valid argument to have this discussion.

- 3 consecutive 0-3 starts
- 3 consecutive non-winning seasons
- Last time the team was even above .500 was back in 2013
- Defense ranked either dead last or towards the bottom for the last 3 years
- Worst ranked Special Teams unit
- Won't get rid of his cronies McMahon, Vitt & Johnson

There are a lot of unknowns out there as far as coaching candidates go. But we already know what we have w SP. I think his fire has gone out in in NOLA. Maybe he just needs a change to get relit like our team does.



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Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position
 

Just can't argue with these things anymore either. What'sworse is our cap is maxed out while doing this terrible.

Forgot to include falling down all over ourselves during our biggest games this season

Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position
 

I wouldn't mind Harbaugh or Gruden.

Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position
 

I notice that you still didn't answer the initial question. It really doesn't matter what Payton has or has not done. All that matters is who specifically can you bring into this organization in its current state and get significantly better production in a short time frame.

It's not a question of if Payton is qualified. It is a question of who might be qualified and why.

And please don't bother is unrealistic "pie in the sky" choices. Specifically: Gruden, Harbaugh, and Cowher. As has been pointed out before, but I'll repeat again, that all three essentially have their dream job. And more specifically Gruden and Cowher have a Super Bowl winning legacy to protect. Also specifically both of them have been out of football for many many years. As for Harbaugh, he's making $8 million a year and is more celebrated in Ann Arbor than the King of Bacchus at Mardi Gras.

And I just want to point out that the San Francisco 49ers made exactly the same stupid mistake with Harbaugh that many are proposing with Payton now. 1-13 and looking pitiful.

I'm not making the argument that only Payton is the solution. However, I'm going to continue to push back that the solution is to get rid of him for an option that is unknown or is made of unobtainium.

So please be specific on who you would staff with, excluding the three above (or any other ex-coach TV personality), and why staffing with that person is an improvement over Payton.

SFIAH

Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position
 

I am going to disagree here. You're fine to push this agenda, but for those that want SP gone it isn't our job to satisfy your requirement for suitable candidates. SP has us stuck in mediocrity with a maxed out budget. I don't need to know who his replacement will be, and I don't necessarily need to know he will turn things around quickly. I need someone to come in and make PROGRESS. We are not making progress. Our win/loss record is stuck in automatic, and more than that each season is pretty much playing out like we are stuck in a nasty real life version of DeJa Vu. I also would not mind trying Shanny from the Falcons

Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position
 

Of course it is. This contingent wants to have Payton gone so the team can get better. It's completely reasonable to ask who might reasonable be able to do that and who realistically is available.

Just like there are really not 32 franchise QBs in the NFL, there are very few proven SuperBowl winning coaches. So getting rid of one needs both a justification (which I can agree is reasonable) and a plan. The latter I haven't seen.

I think it's a stretch to lay the entire budget situation solely on a head coach.

I don't have a problem with progress. I just want to understand what coaches are out there have demonstrated such progress.

BTW I disagree with you a bit on progress. There has been progress this season. While all of the Saints units are still inconsistent, the defense has played well enough this season to reflect a better record than the team currently has. They are by no stretch the 34th out of 32 team unit they were in 2014 and 2015.

I guess I'm just a skeptic. Rarely is the grass greener. Winning in the NFL is difficult. Switching horses and winning is harder.

SFIAH

Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position
 

SP was never a HC prior to being with us so the same could have been said of him. I just don't understand the point here. Basically keep 7-9 because it could be worse, no thanks.

Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position
 

Benson just walked into the SP presser and yelled great coach, great win. He is going no where.