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Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position

"Benson's not completely there."

A judge ruled otherwise.

Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position

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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 731351)

"Benson's not completely there."

A judge ruled otherwise.

This is true.

Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position

"THIS JUST IN" SP has a new strategy for winning it all next year! Paytons "Eaux Neaux! They Gotta Geaux! Do It To Em Wit Voodoo Whilst Sitting on Thy Arse" home study course caused two Franchise QB's to suffer the same "broken fibula" injury!! Pretty certain one was quoted "You may have broken my fibula but I'll be feeling it tomorrow"

Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position

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Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 731307)

I didnt come to this thread to suggest any choices. As a matter of fact, there was no " initial question", as you stated, asking who a replacement should be so maybe you should think before you post. I mean seriously, do you even read the posts??

Of course I do. Posts #6 and #7 of this thread ask this exact question. Your reply "to those who ask the question of who to replace Payton with..."

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Maybe if you did, you'd see that all i did was present some valid points as to why SP should move on. I have no idea who we should interview for HC jobs, but that doesn't refute any of the points that I made.

The implication you make is that getting rid of Payton and replacing him will improve the team. I'm refuting that point. There are several instances where teams have gone though mediocre lulls to suddenly burst on the scene the next year to win the Superbowl. Sean Payton's Saints are an example of this. After the 2008 season, no one would have expected a 13-3 2009 capped with a Championship. With Coughlin before 2007 and 2011 there were calls for his ouster.

You are stating we can do better than the one guy who has actually brought a championship to this organization. How can it be unreasonable to ask who would be better?

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I even went on to say that there might be some unknowns out there that may be qualified for the job. I didnt even mention any of those 3 coaches that you brought up so it sounds like you were just trying to overkill on making your point asking me to be specific. However, just because I don't have a specific replacement in mind doesnt make my points any less valid. If yiu can dispute them, please do so. As a matter of fact, why don't YOU answer MY question and be specific as to why SP should continue as our coach? I'm sure if anyone underperformed at their job for several years in a row like he has, their employer would be asking the same questions eventhough he may not already have a replacement in mind.

Sure. I'll take it year by year:

2012: BG derailed the team for the year.
2013: Payton comes back, fires Spagnolo and hires Ryan. A top 5 defense helps power the team to an 11-5 record and a playoff berth.
2014: injuries, including Brees oblique injury, along with Ryan's overly complicated defensive scheme were all contributors.
2015: Brandon Browner with blame assigned to Payton, Ryan, and Loomis.
2016: Inconsistent but promising. The defense has turned in several admirable performances along with a couple of dogs. The offense is the #1 offense in football, with the problem of not being able to execute consistently, and special teams have given away three games. Inconsistent. And injuries especially in the secondary have plagued the team throughout the year.

We have a blueprint for winning a SuperBowl. Efficient balanced offense. Opportunistic takeaway defense. A reliable kicker who can kick the long ball in clutch situations. A team that can run the ball efficiently and in the clutch. And most importantly limited injuries.

All of these are in sight. I saw most of those elements yesterday.

So in short, Payton has brought us a championship. The team doesn't look like the Brows, 49ers, or Jaguars, and a limited injury season can open the door to a successful 2017.

Most importantly, I know who I have. I have a 10 year track record. It isn't a gamble.

So that's why I'm advocating staying the course.

SFIAH

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Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 731328)

The cap isn't anywhere near to being "maxed out".

oh yes it has been and 1/4 of it is currently sitting unused in dead money. That's atrocious and is not the mark of a well run org.

Excuses coming in 3,2,1..

Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position

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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 731347)

Benson's not completely there.

IDT that is the issue. I think he feels we are close and he just paid 45 mil to the guy. He is owed a ton of that 45 still. Plus I believe that Benson believes that, especially because of what Sean did for the org and city. Loyalty. If the trend of the last 3 years continues the noise for his departure will grow and grow, and then Sean will go.

There are some pieces here, let's hope it is headed in the right direction, although the amount of inconsistency leaves you with doubts, or it should.

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 731352)

This is true.

You've been nothing wrong about this team and their success. You were calling playoffs, blah blah blah blah. Now I see you're back since the Saints won a game or two. Fair weather fan. The rest of us have been here the entire season. Fans like you come and go. Even though Shrimp was wrong about us winning 7 games, he was fairly accurate about this team, as were the rest of us. 3 years and we have made 0 progress in our win/loss column. It is actually 30% of our cap is in dead money, that is laughable. We're already at 9 million for next year and it hasn't even started.

You're an excuse machine bro- injuries, snow, cold weather, sniffles, ran out of tampons, and on and on and on.

Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 731357)

Of course I do. Posts #6 and #7 of this thread ask this exact question. Your reply "to those who ask the question of who to replace Payton with..."

The implication you make is that getting rid of Payton and replacing him will improve the team. I'm refuting that point. There are several instances where teams have gone though mediocre lulls to suddenly burst on the scene the next year to win the Superbowl. Sean Payton's Saints are an example of this. After the 2008 season, no one would have expected a 13-3 2009 capped with a Championship. With Coughlin before 2007 and 2011 there were calls for his ouster.

You are stating we can do better than the one guy who has actually brought a championship to this organization. How can it be unreasonable to ask who would be better?

Sure. I'll take it year by year:

2012: BG derailed the team for the year.
2013: Payton comes back, fires Spagnolo and hires Ryan. A top 5 defense helps power the team to an 11-5 record and a playoff berth.
2014: injuries, including Brees oblique injury, along with Ryan's overly complicated defensive scheme were all contributors.
2015: Brandon Browner with blame assigned to Payton, Ryan, and Loomis.
2016: Inconsistent but promising. The defense has turned in several admirable performances along with a couple of dogs. The offense is the #1 offense in football, with the problem of not being able to execute consistently, and special teams have given away three games. Inconsistent. And injuries especially in the secondary have plagued the team throughout the year.

We have a blueprint for winning a SuperBowl. Efficient balanced offense. Opportunistic takeaway defense. A reliable kicker who can kick the long ball in clutch situations. A team that can run the ball efficiently and in the clutch. And most importantly limited injuries.

All of these are in sight. I saw most of those elements yesterday.

So in short, Payton has brought us a championship. The team doesn't look like the Brows, 49ers, or Jaguars, and a limited injury season can open the door to a successful 2017.

Most importantly, I know who I have. I have a 10 year track record. It isn't a gamble.

So that's why I'm advocating staying the course.

SFIAH

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk

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In 2012 the offense was playing fine without Payton. Brees threw turnovers but I believe it was because of the holdout and Grubbs. However, the defense was bothered by the pending suspensions and the lawsuit that affected the captain......Vilma who was also hurt that year and not on the field for the most part. We won in 2013 in spite of Ryan, it was because we had the dark cloud removed from us and especially the leader of our defense.

While a takeaway defense wins a sb. It's not a requirement to make the playoffs. Bad defenses have made the playoffs and had we so much as had a upright oline for the last three years we would have gotten in with such a bad defense.

I saw something in the game that ticked me off. Right after that Byrd pick, we just ran the ball just like that to get a score? So we only want to attempt to run the ball with a strong defense?

The truth of the matter is we didn't need to wait this long to make the playoffs. SP only wants to have a playoff year when the saints are starting out 10-0 or whatever. I don't respect Payton for these reasons.

Manning's won with four different coaches. If you have a HOF qb it doesn't matter who coaches but we see there that Brees doesn't have thick skin in that department if he needs SP to win.

Tell me, how you cannot be mad at Sean for ruining the chance for Brees to match Montana, Brady, and Aikman. Making Brees and the offense wait to be what it used to be. That's not a coach IMO.

Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 731059)

You also have to factor in all of the endorsement deals he gets these days. An NFL head coach does not have the time to spend with those. He is probably making several million more per year on those alone.

The question is weather or not it's about the money. When you are worth 45 million is another 10 a big deal? His love for coaching may outweigh the money and free time.

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 731360)

oh yes it has been and 1/4 of it is currently sitting unused in dead money. That's atrocious and is not the mark of a well run org.

Excuses coming in 3,2,1..

All but $7 million of the dead money rolls off the books after next weekend. That means that means that only 4.24% of the 2017 cap is tied up in dead money. The estimated free cap space for 2017 is over $36 million and that is before roster bonuses are converted and the next Brees extension takes place. Free cap will be approaching $50 million.

You are complaining about something that no longer exists.