Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position

SaintFanInATLHELL · 12-25-2016, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

I didnt come to this thread to suggest any choices. As a matter of fact, there was no " initial question", as you stated, asking who a replacement should be so maybe you should think before you post. I mean seriously, do you even read the posts??

Of course I do. Posts #6 and #7 of this thread ask this exact question. Your reply "to those who ask the question of who to replace Payton with..."

Maybe if you did, you'd see that all i did was present some valid points as to why SP should move on. I have no idea who we should interview for HC jobs, but that doesn't refute any of the points that I made.

The implication you make is that getting rid of Payton and replacing him will improve the team. I'm refuting that point. There are several instances where teams have gone though mediocre lulls to suddenly burst on the scene the next year to win the Superbowl. Sean Payton's Saints are an example of this. After the 2008 season, no one would have expected a 13-3 2009 capped with a Championship. With Coughlin before 2007 and 2011 there were calls for his ouster.

You are stating we can do better than the one guy who has actually brought a championship to this organization. How can it be unreasonable to ask who would be better?

I even went on to say that there might be some unknowns out there that may be qualified for the job. I didnt even mention any of those 3 coaches that you brought up so it sounds like you were just trying to overkill on making your point asking me to be specific. However, just because I don't have a specific replacement in mind doesnt make my points any less valid. If yiu can dispute them, please do so. As a matter of fact, why don't YOU answer MY question and be specific as to why SP should continue as our coach? I'm sure if anyone underperformed at their job for several years in a row like he has, their employer would be asking the same questions eventhough he may not already have a replacement in mind.

Sure. I'll take it year by year:

2012: BG derailed the team for the year.
2013: Payton comes back, fires Spagnolo and hires Ryan. A top 5 defense helps power the team to an 11-5 record and a playoff berth.
2014: injuries, including Brees oblique injury, along with Ryan's overly complicated defensive scheme were all contributors.
2015: Brandon Browner with blame assigned to Payton, Ryan, and Loomis.
2016: Inconsistent but promising. The defense has turned in several admirable performances along with a couple of dogs. The offense is the #1 offense in football, with the problem of not being able to execute consistently, and special teams have given away three games. Inconsistent. And injuries especially in the secondary have plagued the team throughout the year.

We have a blueprint for winning a SuperBowl. Efficient balanced offense. Opportunistic takeaway defense. A reliable kicker who can kick the long ball in clutch situations. A team that can run the ball efficiently and in the clutch. And most importantly limited injuries.

All of these are in sight. I saw most of those elements yesterday.

So in short, Payton has brought us a championship. The team doesn't look like the Brows, 49ers, or Jaguars, and a limited injury season can open the door to a successful 2017.

Most importantly, I know who I have. I have a 10 year track record. It isn't a gamble.

So that's why I'm advocating staying the course.

SFIAH

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12-25-2016, 12:00 PM	#22
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position Originally Posted by 44Champs I didnt come to this thread to suggest any choices. As a matter of fact, there was no " initial question", as you stated, asking who a replacement should be so maybe you should think before you post. I mean seriously, do you even read the posts?? Of course I do. Posts #6 and #7 of this thread ask this exact question. Your reply "to those who ask the question of who to replace Payton with..." Maybe if you did, you'd see that all i did was present some valid points as to why SP should move on. I have no idea who we should interview for HC jobs, but that doesn't refute any of the points that I made. The implication you make is that getting rid of Payton and replacing him will improve the team. I'm refuting that point. There are several instances where teams have gone though mediocre lulls to suddenly burst on the scene the next year to win the Superbowl. Sean Payton's Saints are an example of this. After the 2008 season, no one would have expected a 13-3 2009 capped with a Championship. With Coughlin before 2007 and 2011 there were calls for his ouster. You are stating we can do better than the one guy who has actually brought a championship to this organization. How can it be unreasonable to ask who would be better? I even went on to say that there might be some unknowns out there that may be qualified for the job. I didnt even mention any of those 3 coaches that you brought up so it sounds like you were just trying to overkill on making your point asking me to be specific. However, just because I don't have a specific replacement in mind doesnt make my points any less valid. If yiu can dispute them, please do so. As a matter of fact, why don't YOU answer MY question and be specific as to why SP should continue as our coach? I'm sure if anyone underperformed at their job for several years in a row like he has, their employer would be asking the same questions eventhough he may not already have a replacement in mind. Sure. I'll take it year by year: 2012: BG derailed the team for the year. 2013: Payton comes back, fires Spagnolo and hires Ryan. A top 5 defense helps power the team to an 11-5 record and a playoff berth. 2014: injuries, including Brees oblique injury, along with Ryan's overly complicated defensive scheme were all contributors. 2015: Brandon Browner with blame assigned to Payton, Ryan, and Loomis. 2016: Inconsistent but promising. The defense has turned in several admirable performances along with a couple of dogs. The offense is the #1 offense in football, with the problem of not being able to execute consistently, and special teams have given away three games. Inconsistent. And injuries especially in the secondary have plagued the team throughout the year. We have a blueprint for winning a SuperBowl. Efficient balanced offense. Opportunistic takeaway defense. A reliable kicker who can kick the long ball in clutch situations. A team that can run the ball efficiently and in the clutch. And most importantly limited injuries. All of these are in sight. I saw most of those elements yesterday. So in short, Payton has brought us a championship. The team doesn't look like the Brows, 49ers, or Jaguars, and a limited injury season can open the door to a successful 2017. Most importantly, I know who I have. I have a 10 year track record. It isn't a gamble. So that's why I'm advocating staying the course. SFIAH Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk[/QUOTE] AsylumGuido and SmashMouth like this.
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