All these people that ask "Who would you get to replace him?" As if SP is the only coach that's qualified. I'll post these facts again, and then you tell me WHY it's not a valid argument to have this discussion.

- 3 consecutive 0-3 starts
- 3 consecutive non-winning seasons
- Last time the team was even above .500 was back in 2013
- Defense ranked either dead last or towards the bottom for the last 3 years
- Worst ranked Special Teams unit
- Won't get rid of his cronies McMahon, Vitt & Johnson

There are a lot of unknowns out there as far as coaching candidates go. But we already know what we have w SP. I think his fire has gone out in in NOLA. Maybe he just needs a change to get relit like our team does.
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I notice that you still didn't answer the initial question. It really doesn't matter what Payton has or has not done. All that matters is who specifically can you bring into this organization in its current state and get significantly better production in a short time frame.

It's not a question of if Payton is qualified. It is a question of who might be qualified and why.

And please don't bother is unrealistic "pie in the sky" choices. Specifically: Gruden, Harbaugh, and Cowher. As has been pointed out before, but I'll repeat again, that all three essentially have their dream job. And more specifically Gruden and Cowher have a Super Bowl winning legacy to protect. Also specifically both of them have been out of football for many many years. As for Harbaugh, he's making $8 million a year and is more celebrated in Ann Arbor than the King of Bacchus at Mardi Gras.

And I just want to point out that the San Francisco 49ers made exactly the same stupid mistake with Harbaugh that many are proposing with Payton now. 1-13 and looking pitiful.

I'm not making the argument that only Payton is the solution. However, I'm going to continue to push back that the solution is to get rid of him for an option that is unknown or is made of unobtainium.

So please be specific on who you would staff with, excluding the three above (or any other ex-coach TV personality), and why staffing with that person is an improvement over Payton.

SFIAH

I am going to disagree here. You're fine to push this agenda, but for those that want SP gone it isn't our job to satisfy your requirement for suitable candidates.

SP has us stuck in mediocrity with a maxed out budget. I don't need to know who his replacement will be, and I don't necessarily need to know he will turn things around quickly. I need someone to come in and make PROGRESS. We are not making progress. Our win/loss record is stuck in automatic, and more than that each season is pretty much playing out like we are stuck in a nasty real life version of DeJa Vu. I also would not mind trying Shanny from the Falcons

Of course it is. This contingent wants to have Payton gone so the team can get better. It's completely reasonable to ask who might reasonable be able to do that and who realistically is available.

Just like there are really not 32 franchise QBs in the NFL, there are very few proven SuperBowl winning coaches. So getting rid of one needs both a justification (which I can agree is reasonable) and a plan. The latter I haven't seen.



I think it's a stretch to lay the entire budget situation solely on a head coach.

I don't have a problem with progress. I just want to understand what coaches are out there have demonstrated such progress.

BTW I disagree with you a bit on progress. There has been progress this season. While all of the Saints units are still inconsistent, the defense has played well enough this season to reflect a better record than the team currently has. They are by no stretch the 34th out of 32 team unit they were in 2014 and 2015.

I guess I'm just a skeptic. Rarely is the grass greener. Winning in the NFL is difficult. Switching horses and winning is harder.

SFIAH

I notice that you still didn't answer the initial question. It really doesn't matter what Payton has or has not done. All that matters is who specifically can you bring into this organization in its current state and get significantly better production in a short time frame.

It's not a question of if Payton is qualified. It is a question of who might be qualified and why.

And please don't bother is unrealistic "pie in the sky" choices. Specifically: Gruden, Harbaugh, and Cowher. As has been pointed out before, but I'll repeat again, that all three essentially have their dream job. And more specifically Gruden and Cowher have a Super Bowl winning legacy to protect. Also specifically both of them have been out of football for many many years. As for Harbaugh, he's making $8 million a year and is more celebrated in Ann Arbor than the King of Bacchus at Mardi Gras.

And I just want to point out that the San Francisco 49ers made exactly the same stupid mistake with Harbaugh that many are proposing with Payton now. 1-13 and looking pitiful.

I'm not making the argument that only Payton is the solution. However, I'm going to continue to push back that the solution is to get rid of him for an option that is unknown or is made of unobtainium.

So please be specific on who you would staff with, excluding the three above (or any other ex-coach TV personality), and why staffing with that person is an improvement over Payton.

SFIAH

I didnt come to this thread to suggest any choices. As a matter of fact, there was no " initial question", as you stated, asking who a replacement should be so maybe you should think before you post. I mean seriously, do you even read the posts?? Maybe if you did, you'd see that all i did was present some valid points as to why SP should move on. I have no idea who we should interview for HC jobs, but that doesn't refute any of the points that I made.

I even went on to say that there might be some unknowns out there that may be qualified for the job. I didnt even mention any of those 3 coaches that you brought up so it sounds like you were just trying to overkill on making your point asking me to be specific. However, just because I don't have a specific replacement in mind doesnt make my points any less valid. If yiu can dispute them, please do so. As a matter of fact, why don't YOU answer MY question and be specific as to why SP should continue as our coach? I'm sure if anyone underperformed at their job for several years in a row like he has, their employer would be asking the same questions eventhough he may not already have a replacement in mind.



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In what way did Payton "underperform"? His offense has been the top ranked over the entire stretch. The defense was horrible two years ago and and he made the move to replace the DC. This year the defense is vastly improved with much of the better talent either on the IR or on the sidelines with injuries. With a healthy squad next season we should be challenging for the fist round bye. Yet you want to throw that out the window. You know that Payton isn't going anywhere because Benson is not an idiot. Accept that fact and move on.

I didnt come to this thread to suggest any choices. As a matter of fact, there was no " initial question", as you stated, asking who a replacement should be so maybe you should think before you post. I mean seriously, do you even read the posts??

Maybe if you did, you'd see that all i did was present some valid points as to why SP should move on. I have no idea who we should interview for HC jobs, but that doesn't refute any of the points that I made.

I even went on to say that there might be some unknowns out there that may be qualified for the job. I didnt even mention any of those 3 coaches that you brought up so it sounds like you were just trying to overkill on making your point asking me to be specific. However, just because I don't have a specific replacement in mind doesnt make my points any less valid. If yiu can dispute them, please do so. As a matter of fact, why don't YOU answer MY question and be specific as to why SP should continue as our coach? I'm sure if anyone underperformed at their job for several years in a row like he has, their employer would be asking the same questions eventhough he may not already have a replacement in mind.

Of course I do. Posts #6 and #7 of this thread ask this exact question. Your reply "to those who ask the question of who to replace Payton with..."



The implication you make is that getting rid of Payton and replacing him will improve the team. I'm refuting that point. There are several instances where teams have gone though mediocre lulls to suddenly burst on the scene the next year to win the Superbowl. Sean Payton's Saints are an example of this. After the 2008 season, no one would have expected a 13-3 2009 capped with a Championship. With Coughlin before 2007 and 2011 there were calls for his ouster.

You are stating we can do better than the one guy who has actually brought a championship to this organization. How can it be unreasonable to ask who would be better?



Sure. I'll take it year by year:

2012: BG derailed the team for the year.
2013: Payton comes back, fires Spagnolo and hires Ryan. A top 5 defense helps power the team to an 11-5 record and a playoff berth.
2014: injuries, including Brees oblique injury, along with Ryan's overly complicated defensive scheme were all contributors.
2015: Brandon Browner with blame assigned to Payton, Ryan, and Loomis.
2016: Inconsistent but promising. The defense has turned in several admirable performances along with a couple of dogs. The offense is the #1 offense in football, with the problem of not being able to execute consistently, and special teams have given away three games. Inconsistent. And injuries especially in the secondary have plagued the team throughout the year.

We have a blueprint for winning a SuperBowl. Efficient balanced offense. Opportunistic takeaway defense. A reliable kicker who can kick the long ball in clutch situations. A team that can run the ball efficiently and in the clutch. And most importantly limited injuries.

All of these are in sight. I saw most of those elements yesterday.

So in short, Payton has brought us a championship. The team doesn't look like the Brows, 49ers, or Jaguars, and a limited injury season can open the door to a successful 2017.

Most importantly, I know who I have. I have a 10 year track record. It isn't a gamble.

So that's why I'm advocating staying the course.

SFIAH






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