yasoon

Hey, we\'re all rooting for the same team here. It\'s cool if we screw up and agree on something. And we didn\'t disagree about Horn being the best ever in NO, you just don\'t care that he is

I majored in stats, so excuse me for this completely obscure one:

What receiver had the highest percentage of his team\'s first downs?

Horn (Moose is second and then there\'s a drop off.). That means when the team needed to keep a drive moving (which the Saints struggled mightily with), AB looked to Horn. Again, not saying to give the man the farm, just saying that he has been a very important piece of the puzzle.

saintswhodi

I think that has to do more with AB\'s tunnel vision. Same with Moose. After Smith went down, Jake had tunnel vision for Moose. It\'s an interesting stat, but explainable. My dad has season tickets and goes to every game, he is as impartial as they come when it comes to players on this team, and even he says AB locks on to Joe a good portion of the time, or at least WAY more than he should.

[Edited on 18/3/2005 by saintswhodi]

yasoon

Which is one of my biggest problems with AB....all the physical tools, but he just doesn\'t see the field really well.

One could argue that the QB develops this tunnel vision after the receiver earns his trust. (Donte\'s drops seem to always be on 3rd and 7....giving Brooks no reason to look his way in the clutch.)

I was watching NFL network and they were doing some stuff on Mariucci. (I love him as a coach, but never like the niners.)
Young hit his 4th option for a TD down the sideline. I thought to myself......4th option? I\'d love to see Brooks get past the checkdown back.

This is part of my problem with the \"how good is AB\" argument. Is he surrounded with some of the best skilled players in Saints history? Yes. Does he have some of the best QB numbers in Saints history? Yes

However, he seems to look for his primary guy and either throw into coverage, run backwards and throw it away/get sacked, or check down to the back for 1 yard. it seems like he always hits the guy the play is called for and he never really thinks on his feet. I\'ve rooted for the guy, but this year\'s regression put me over the edge. And putting the QB coach who has pampered him all along at OC probably isn\'t going to light his fire either.

saintswhodi

Whoa dude, it\'s like I am talking to myself here. It\'s like we were two different people in that other thread. I have made these SAME arguments about AB numerous times. Yes, tunnel vision comes with trust, that is no doubt. But it also helps to inflate some stats that could prob be of more benefit it there was more balance to them across the rest of the offense.

Trust me though, we walk the same line on AB.

Saint_LB

Gumbo, I agree. I\'m not knocking AB because he throws hard. I don\'t know if it is in his best interest, but I agree that a pro should hang on, hard or not. Where I may disagree with you is that just because a guy is in the NFL doesn\'t mean that his hands are as good as everybody else around him. From watching the Saints since AB\'s arrival, I think it would be safe to say that Horn has shown that his hands are the best on the team. So, my original point was that we should probably try to keep him since he has shown that he can hang on to AB\'s rocket shots.

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