Unnerving Brees Quote

AsylumGuido · 01-02-2017, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Stop it with "the Brady cut". There wasn't one.

Exactly. Brees did his last deal in much the same manner as Brady's. Brady NEVER took any pay cut. His deal simply pushed more hit back while INCREASING the guaranteed amount. That is exactly what Brees did. Get your facts straight, people. Geez.

spkb25 · 01-02-2017, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

He should have done a Tom Brady team friendly contract. We might have a better OL. Still, is this a sign that he is Denver bound?

Or Maybe the 12 million we paid Junior to sit on the sidelines could have went to a guard? Or what about the other 28 million in dead money on players that no longer played for us?

Brees makes average money for a QB. Nearly every QB earns 20 million per year. This is not a well thought out post, you clearly did not look at all the factors

halloween 65 · 01-02-2017, 09:33 AM

Our O did screw up in games, they ran into a real D that slowed down the O to a crawl but these are the games our D game plan has to be up to par to win, they were not. There were some bad games by the O that there wasn't anyway to come back from(2) in my opionion and should have been (3) but SD blew chunks in the 4th qt and we did. In all honesty with a good D we should be 11-5 right now. We have been screwed for years as fans by never putting a consistantly good D on the field each and every season. We should of had our dynasty and banners hanging everywhere in the dome. I totally blame the D in every way for this.

spkb25 · 01-02-2017, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Our O did screw up in games, they ran into a real D that slowed down the O to a crawl but these are the games our D game plan has to be up to par to win, they were not. There were some bad games by the O that there wasn't anyway to come back from(2) in my opionion and should have been (3) but SD blew chunks in the 4th qt and we did. In all honesty with a good D we should be 11-5 right now. We have been screwed for years as fans by never putting a consistantly good D on the field each and every season. We should of had our dynasty and banners hanging everywhere in the dome. I totally blame the D in every way for this.

You're not counting games we let up 20 points or less by our d (3 of them) and we still lost, or games that the offense had multiple turnovers on our side of the field like broncos, and panthers where we would have won had we not done that. That is 5 games. We had 9 losses, unfortunately this year the theory that it is all our D's fault is just not true. Most years it has been, not this year

The Dude · 01-02-2017, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Or Maybe the 12 million we paid Junior to sit on the sidelines could have went to a guard? Or what about the other 28 million in dead money on players that no longer played for us?

Brees makes average money for a QB. Nearly every QB earns 20 million per year. This is not a well thought out post, you clearly did not look at all the factors

Jesus people it's done, get over it.

halloween 65 · 01-02-2017, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

You're not counting games we let up 20 points or less by our d (3 of them) and we still lost, or games that the offense had multiple turnovers on our side of the field like broncos, and panthers where we would have won had we not done that. That is 5 games. We had 9 losses, unfortunately this year the theory that it is all our D's fault is just not true. Most years it has been, not this year

I counted them. I'm not saying the O didn't lose a few, they did. I'm also including the games we won not just the losses. The D would be responsible for 5 out of the 9 losses and a quite few more if not for the O. We should have finished in the 11-5 range, 10-6 at worse. Our D needs good coaches. I look at the SD game as pure luck winning it, without the firepower on the O we would be 5-11. Thats where I picked us to be sadly. Our D played 3 good games out of 16, not every team the D went against had good O's and those teams averaged their ppg or above their ppg against this D and thats not a good thing. There's a reason the D ranking is near the bottom.

The Dude · 01-02-2017, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I love this post.

It's not better than most, it's better than all of the except one.

LivnaLieTimay · 01-02-2017, 11:36 AM

I get we're all frustrated, it was a tough season. Fact is when you look at the entire season, all 3 phases of the game (offense, defense and special teams) had stretches where they let the team down. And that comes down to coaching.

I posted the offensive numbers to show some that were putting so much of the blame on the offense that while they had their ups and downs there's plenty of blame to go around. It's tough to not point to the defense when they're 31st in the league in points allowed and the offense is 2nd in the league in scoring. Now I tend to be someone who blames the defense more so than the offense but I'm not giving any of them a pass. Another stat that stuck out to me was that we won 1 game all year where the offense didn't score 30 (25-20 against Seattle). The defense at some point has to win some games where you only score 20. Every other team in the NFL won at least 1 game where their offense scored 24 or fewer points.

I know some want to point to turnovers as the reason the D struggled, our offense was 19th in giveaways, our D was 17th in takeaways. For the season we were -3. Our offense did have too many turnovers and our defense didn't force enough. Again, total team effort.

And while I'm posting about the offense and defense I can't get over how bad our special teams was at times and cost us dearly. They definitely didn't do much to help the team.

Looking back at the season, we were just out of sync all year. When the offense was rolling the defense couldn't get a stop. When the defense started playing well the offense went into a funk. I'm not going to blame one side of the ball or the other. I simply want to point out to some that are throwing the offense under the bus that there was plenty of blame to go around. And I'll say it again, when you look as inconsistent as we did all year in all 3 phases of the game you need to look at the coaching staff. This coaching staff hasn't gotten the job done for a while now, 7-9 in 4 out of 5 seasons shows it.

spkb25 · 01-02-2017, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I counted them. I'm not saying the O didn't lose a few, they did. I'm also including the games we won not just the losses. The D would be responsible for 5 out of the 9 losses and a quite few more if not for the O. We should have finished in the 11-5 range, 10-6 at worse. Our D needs good coaches. I look at the SD game as pure luck winning it, without the firepower on the O we would be 5-11. Thats where I picked us to be sadly. Our D played 3 good games out of 16, not every team the D went against had good O's and those teams averaged their ppg or above their ppg against this D and thats not a good thing. There's a reason the D ranking is near the bottom.

I just provided 5 games we lost that had absolutely nothing to do with the dense, that only leaves 4

Rell&Gold · 01-02-2017, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

I just provided 5 games we lost that had absolutely nothing to do with the dense, that only leaves 4

For you, I know that's bull

01-02-2017, 09:18 AM	#51
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,392	Re: Unnerving Brees Quote Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Stop it with "the Brady cut". There wasn't one. Exactly. Brees did his last deal in much the same manner as Brady's. Brady NEVER took any pay cut. His deal simply pushed more hit back while INCREASING the guaranteed amount. That is exactly what Brees did. Get your facts straight, people. Geez.

01-02-2017, 09:19 AM	#52
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: Unnerving Brees Quote Originally Posted by SmashMouth He should have done a Tom Brady team friendly contract. We might have a better OL. Still, is this a sign that he is Denver bound? Or Maybe the 12 million we paid Junior to sit on the sidelines could have went to a guard? Or what about the other 28 million in dead money on players that no longer played for us? Brees makes average money for a QB. Nearly every QB earns 20 million per year. This is not a well thought out post, you clearly did not look at all the factors brees84 likes this.

01-02-2017, 09:33 AM	#53
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Unnerving Brees Quote Our O did screw up in games, they ran into a real D that slowed down the O to a crawl but these are the games our D game plan has to be up to par to win, they were not. There were some bad games by the O that there wasn't anyway to come back from(2) in my opionion and should have been (3) but SD blew chunks in the 4th qt and we did. In all honesty with a good D we should be 11-5 right now. We have been screwed for years as fans by never putting a consistantly good D on the field each and every season. We should of had our dynasty and banners hanging everywhere in the dome. I totally blame the D in every way for this.

01-02-2017, 09:51 AM	#54
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: Unnerving Brees Quote Originally Posted by halloween 65 Our O did screw up in games, they ran into a real D that slowed down the O to a crawl but these are the games our D game plan has to be up to par to win, they were not. There were some bad games by the O that there wasn't anyway to come back from(2) in my opionion and should have been (3) but SD blew chunks in the 4th qt and we did. In all honesty with a good D we should be 11-5 right now. We have been screwed for years as fans by never putting a consistantly good D on the field each and every season. We should of had our dynasty and banners hanging everywhere in the dome. I totally blame the D in every way for this. You're not counting games we let up 20 points or less by our d (3 of them) and we still lost, or games that the offense had multiple turnovers on our side of the field like broncos, and panthers where we would have won had we not done that. That is 5 games. We had 9 losses, unfortunately this year the theory that it is all our D's fault is just not true. Most years it has been, not this year

01-02-2017, 10:16 AM	#55
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,006	Re: Unnerving Brees Quote Originally Posted by spkb25 Or Maybe the 12 million we paid Junior to sit on the sidelines could have went to a guard? Or what about the other 28 million in dead money on players that no longer played for us? Brees makes average money for a QB. Nearly every QB earns 20 million per year. This is not a well thought out post, you clearly did not look at all the factors Jesus people it's done, get over it.
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01-02-2017, 10:21 AM	#56
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Unnerving Brees Quote Originally Posted by spkb25 You're not counting games we let up 20 points or less by our d (3 of them) and we still lost, or games that the offense had multiple turnovers on our side of the field like broncos, and panthers where we would have won had we not done that. That is 5 games. We had 9 losses, unfortunately this year the theory that it is all our D's fault is just not true. Most years it has been, not this year I counted them. I'm not saying the O didn't lose a few, they did. I'm also including the games we won not just the losses. The D would be responsible for 5 out of the 9 losses and a quite few more if not for the O. We should have finished in the 11-5 range, 10-6 at worse. Our D needs good coaches. I look at the SD game as pure luck winning it, without the firepower on the O we would be 5-11. Thats where I picked us to be sadly. Our D played 3 good games out of 16, not every team the D went against had good O's and those teams averaged their ppg or above their ppg against this D and thats not a good thing. There's a reason the D ranking is near the bottom. Rell&Gold likes this.

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01-02-2017, 11:36 AM	#58
LivnaLieTimay 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York Posts: 1,494	Re: Unnerving Brees Quote I get we're all frustrated, it was a tough season. Fact is when you look at the entire season, all 3 phases of the game (offense, defense and special teams) had stretches where they let the team down. And that comes down to coaching. I posted the offensive numbers to show some that were putting so much of the blame on the offense that while they had their ups and downs there's plenty of blame to go around. It's tough to not point to the defense when they're 31st in the league in points allowed and the offense is 2nd in the league in scoring. Now I tend to be someone who blames the defense more so than the offense but I'm not giving any of them a pass. Another stat that stuck out to me was that we won 1 game all year where the offense didn't score 30 (25-20 against Seattle). The defense at some point has to win some games where you only score 20. Every other team in the NFL won at least 1 game where their offense scored 24 or fewer points. I know some want to point to turnovers as the reason the D struggled, our offense was 19th in giveaways, our D was 17th in takeaways. For the season we were -3. Our offense did have too many turnovers and our defense didn't force enough. Again, total team effort. And while I'm posting about the offense and defense I can't get over how bad our special teams was at times and cost us dearly. They definitely didn't do much to help the team. Looking back at the season, we were just out of sync all year. When the offense was rolling the defense couldn't get a stop. When the defense started playing well the offense went into a funk. I'm not going to blame one side of the ball or the other. I simply want to point out to some that are throwing the offense under the bus that there was plenty of blame to go around. And I'll say it again, when you look as inconsistent as we did all year in all 3 phases of the game you need to look at the coaching staff. This coaching staff hasn't gotten the job done for a while now, 7-9 in 4 out of 5 seasons shows it. Rell&Gold likes this.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: Unnerving Brees Quote Originally Posted by halloween 65 I counted them. I'm not saying the O didn't lose a few, they did. I'm also including the games we won not just the losses. The D would be responsible for 5 out of the 9 losses and a quite few more if not for the O. We should have finished in the 11-5 range, 10-6 at worse. Our D needs good coaches. I look at the SD game as pure luck winning it, without the firepower on the O we would be 5-11. Thats where I picked us to be sadly. Our D played 3 good games out of 16, not every team the D went against had good O's and those teams averaged their ppg or above their ppg against this D and thats not a good thing. There's a reason the D ranking is near the bottom. I just provided 5 games we lost that had absolutely nothing to do with the dense, that only leaves 4

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Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,874	Re: Unnerving Brees Quote Originally Posted by spkb25 I just provided 5 games we lost that had absolutely nothing to do with the dense, that only leaves 4 For you, I know that's bull

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