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We agree on something! Finally! Lol

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The selection of Stephone Anthony was the best thing that could have happen to address the long-standing problem of linebacker coaching during Payton's tenure...

I caught hell when I first broached Vitt being a handicap on this site three plus years ago...

But when Anthony was selected and regressed in his second year and Allen had to take over midseason, the events had to transpire the way they did...

Vitt, an older guy, self-professed old-school guy has never worked well with rookies - and that goes against what Payton has been when he's been successful - taking what you have, coaching and scheming to strengths and maximizing potential...

I've been asking, challenging those that disagreed to name a linebacker Vitt has developed and got the general response that we hadn't committed a first or second round talent for him...

Despite having multiple picks which Vitt (and now Joey Jr.) undoubtedly had input into their draft selection and didn't even develop a solid player from, Vitt finally had exhausted his excuses with a pick like Anthony who had such high anticipation and expectations and a promising rookie year...

Now it's on Payton/Loomis and Dennis Allen to staff assistants who'll get the best of the deepest defensive front seven personnel group we've had in Payton's tenure...

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

That comment Brees made was my first thought when the good ole boys finally got their a$$ fired. Or maybe, just maybe Payton read my post finally. If so he needs to keep reading them.

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This to me shows Payton is on the hot seat

If next season resembles the last 3 seasons in any way, e.g 0-4 start and missing the playoffs, then I don't think Payton makes it to the end of the season.

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

He might make it to the end of the season but he won't make it past, you're definitely right. All the people talking about how his record doesn't matter and he is never going anywhere, BS. These firings were not because SP had an Epiphany, his ass is on the hot seat.I think he probably also recognizes they need some new young energy flowing into things.

I agree with you, he is on the hot seat.

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

He bought himself some time for sure. How much? I truely believe it will be on how his boy Allen's D performs. If the D loses games like they have I think him and Allen will be packing bags and moving on.

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

Totally disagree. Benson and Loomis both feel Payton can walk on water. This was a difficult decision that Payton made all on his own. He isn't stupid. He can see the same thing we all could see. He desperately wants the Saints to be a factor again and he knows that Vitt, McMahon and Johnson were all failing at making that happen. The ownership/management/HC relationship in New Orleans is unique. You cannot make assumptions based upon what other franchises would do. Sean brought a championship to the Bensons and they will never forget that fact. He has a job with the Saints for as long as he wishes.

It was Payton that was clearly not happy with the results. He didn't need anyone to tell him the Saints need to get better. Anyone who thinks that isn't the case, bull****. ;)

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RR & RR together again!!!

CHAMPIONSHIP!!

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

The are losing their patience with Low Energy. He either starts winning or his ass is next. The SB was a nice treat, nearly a decade ago. LMAO!

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

***************** is it snowing in New Orleans?

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Yeah no doubt, definitely a time buying measure. You look at the Revns and they fired their o'cord. Other teams are letting go entire d side of the ball, think the skins. It is what coaches do before their ass is rocked. Think back after '06, 07 and 08 were sub par years.7-9 and 8-8. SP was feeling the heat again then, what did he do? Fired his Dcoord.

FF to now, 3 straight 7-9 campaigns from Low Energy. His ******* is on fire right now it is so hott. Couldn't fire the dccord, only been here one season, so fire everyone else.

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That is so shallow minded. You truly feel fires are made in a vacuum with outward perception being the driving force? I'll guarantee you that Payton doesn't make any move "to buy time". That is juvenile. He made the moves because they had to be made. He fired the coaches he fired because they were not doing their jobs as all of you (yourself, drizzle and halloween) have been promoting. And why would he fire Dennis Allen? The defense showed improvement and Allen showed repeatedly that while working with a squad full of temporary players he could make adjustment at the half, which is something that Ryan could never do. What the defense needs is stability. You don't get that by making change at the top. THAT makes no sense whatsoever.

No, Payton fired those coaches for the sole reason that they needed to be fired. It was the right move to make ... unless y'all think that you were wrong.

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Annnnd he really wants to win too!

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Yes, more than anything.

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

I don't get you guys...

If you've been watching Saints football the last three years, there should be several distinct markers that showed up this season...

Our defenses essentially shut teams down in the second halves of games...

Our secondary really limited the big pass plays compared to previous seasons...

We had three areas that glaringly led to losses this season...

Kicking game directly led to three losses - so McMahon and Kwan were dismissed...

Pass rush, front four were not a threat through most of the season, even when Rankins returned and Onyemata started leveling up - so the defensive line coach was dismissed...

Our first round pick from last year was essentially benched and unable to "grasp" the game - after years of my incessant arguing that Vitt was a liability, my hope was answered and he was dismissed...

Payton is loyal to his guys and those firings emotionally have had to wreck him - they would have for me (and I had to let a close friend go this past year in my business who I had to face was a problem)...

Payton is doing exactly what is necessary, he just has to close the deal with the right hires as he had made last season...

Look at the improvements in the offensive line and defensive secondary - those guys are the argument that not just head coach but assistants should win Coach of the Year...

We're all upset with the record and underachievement this season after another stellar Brees' effort...

The injuries were horrendous and Payton could have used it to sidestep any dismissals - but he's a bright football guy who faced and acknowledged changes to the coaching staff were needed...

You think Jim Mora would have done them? This is Payton's first head coaching gig and he's been fortunate in many regards but this team is headed in the right direction and I for one am really excited about next season...

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

Excellent response, JP. One would think that this would be obvious to all. I couldn't agree more with every point you made, especially about the excitement for next season!

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JP just because Allen made adjustments in the 2nd half of the game doesn't help the playcalling he made in the 1st half. 1/2 a game don't cut it.A 7-9 record pretty well shows that. If his D starts costing us games early in the season and the O has to score 32+ ppg, it's still a problem winning or not. I got no choice but to take the wait and see approach but you can believe my eyes will be wide open looking at the D.

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

Then tell me why he took so long? It's been that way for the D side forever.

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

Because he is human and he most likely cares deeply about all of them. I'm sure he would have wanted them to come out of the rebuild we have been going through since the end of the 2013 season with solid results. Did he give them more chances than another coach may have? Yes, I would say that he definitely did. But, regardless of what some of you believe, Payton is not stupid. It was clear that these moves were required and as painful as they had to have been, he did make them. Give him that credit and let's all move on.

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

I'll tell you why it took so long...

First, look at the roster from week to week for this season; some may find the thread I maintained annoyingly unnecessary when the Saints page has the same information (which, I'd like to say was hardly ever accurate or timely and the Saints need to dismiss that deadweight as well)...

Didn't do it for a pat on the back, but I started to realize something maintaining that thread (And Thanks to Chris and KMajor for helping me with it)...

If you go through the thread you'll realize we never had the same guys starting at the same positions from week to week...

Now, in D.A.'s defense, how are you're suppose to gameplan and know how they'll perform until you hit the field?

And let me also remind everyone I wasn't thrilled with D.A.'s hiring and blowing up the 3-4 after drafting for that front for three years...

But you know what? D.A. came in, implemented a plan, and he owned the challenge from the draft, through Training Camp, and to the end of the season...

Now, the questions are do we get healthy?

Do we add another speed rusher?

Do we coach up and find ways to get Anthony and Kikaha in position for success?

Do we get a sophomore coaching jinx?

Let the offseason, draft and training camp playout then pass judgement.

But in light of the past four seasons, and while I didn't agree with blowing up the 3-4, D.A. has got this defense in a better position than it's been since our SuperBowl run...

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"he's doing this because he knows it is the right thing to do and he knows they had to go"

Halloween asks why did it take so long?

"Oh because he is human"

LMMFAO!!! So he has known they were sub standard coaches and kept them around anyway, lmao the excuses are off the charts.

He's so full of **** he can't get out of his own way



Here are the only things I know, 1 winning season in the last 5, 7-9 with an 0-2 or 0-3 start is Saints football. It is the rule as of late, not the exception.

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

Outward perception and scapegoating are regular parts of firings. Hence Low Energy still being here despite consistently putting up losing seasons and the defensive side of the ball constantly catching the brunt of his dumbass decisions and loyalties

He hired **** for brains RR. I sure didn't want him. Maybe Sean the control freak should hire a real dcoord and let the guy bring his own ****ing people in, but no he is such a **** for brains that he keeps failing because he is a control freak and hires people he can control.

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

sir he is talking about the failures long before this season

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Who the hell cares other than you? I sure don't.

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

No ****, you disappear as soon as the losing starts. You couldn't be found when we were losing. Then we won a few games and you and Danno were back all over the board again, then the losing began again and Halo had to get a ****ing Amber alert for your asses.

GTFOH fake fan

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

I got no choice like I said but to watch. He's had this D 1 1/2 years already and little to nothing has changed. Bottom dwellers again last season. But as far as seeing what he had thats what practice and preseason games are for.

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

You don't know what you are talking about. I have been at this board virtually every day over the past several years. And I'll guarantee you that you can't find a bigger fan. I haven't gone a single day in the last 20 years without wearing my Saints gear. I have pulled for MY Saints every game since the very first back in 1967. Fake fan my ass. We fly Saints flags pretty much year round in front of the house.

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

Well this thread took a bad turn. Calm down fellas. Same team. The news that these coaches are gone is good. I'm sure we can all agree on that. No one has slept with anyone's mom around here (that I know of anyway). Bunch of damn hyenas around here. Good God man. Lol.

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

And you wonder why I took a ten day break off posting on this site last October. It was because of **** like this. I was here reading all the dumb **** being posted at the time but bit my tongue. It wasn't easy. But I have NEVER, EVER, EVER abandoned my Saints and I will face anyone face to face that implies otherwise.

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

Now that's wrong because the run defense went from bottom feeders to middle of the pack...

Because of injuries, we started either rookies or players who were released, cut during the first couple of weeks at the corners since Week 1...

There's a difference, an improvement and to not concede that point is just being stubborn...

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

Give up, JP. spkb, halloween, dizzle and burningmetal are all determined to continue to ***** with no logical basis. They ***** for the sake of *****ing. On and on and on and on. They feed off each other. Everyone else is wrong because their agenda against the Saints the last few years cannot be justified. Not sure what they really want other than to simply continue to *****.

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

AMEN. Get a drink and calm the flip down.

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

I have asked for the same, but have committed the past 50 years of my life to supporting this team completely and wholeheartedly and seeing these people constantly *****ing and complaining rubs me the wrong way.

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

Dennis Allen may very well dictate the course of this entire franchise for the next ten years. If we have another losing season because we once again have the worst D in the League I don't see how this regime can be given a pass.

Maybe Payton will be able survive another failed DC but Brees ain't going out a loser. He has one more on his contract, if he believes his best chance to get another ring lies elsewhere I wouldn't be surprised to see him for it.

And I'd be pulling for him to get it.

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All you come on here to do is argue. I have watched you start with Rez, WS81, Dude, Me, Halloween, DIzzle, BM, B&G, and on and on and on. I watched you earlier argue a non-point with Euph...I mean it was clear to anyone paying attention your sole purpose to even reply with that stupid **** was to argue. When we're losing and other people are right you head to your hole for awhile and hide, then if win you come back out, and then when we lose again you go back into witness protection. Once the season is over and we have a losing record you come back out from your hole and pretend it is in the past and the board should stop focusing on it. Laughable.

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There's only three teams I could see Brees going to that would make them an instant SUperBowl Contenders...

The Jets - but they still have the problem of not having a Head Coach and there's those other kids in their division from Boston...

The Redskins - while he'd be an upgrade of Kirk Cousins, the upgrade would be slight at QB as the skins have big problems on their O-line...

The Rams - now you'd really see an improvement, but even the Rams don't have the weapons on the outside for Brees to take advantage...

For Brees, it's the Saints of Bust...

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These moves shouldve been made LONG ago. Those top 3 assistants have been underperforming at least for the last 4 years but we all know why SP kept them on board. As a matter of fact, I haven't seen anything definituve that says that it was even SP that pulled the trigger on those firings. Maybe the upper brass decided that the only way they were gonna keep SP is if he agreed to let those 3 go. Maybe they're finally reading our posts [emoji14]

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I was thinking Houston because of their d and they got some pretty good receivers, what do you think? I hope he stays here though and we win some more again

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Once again, when have I ever went to hide? Where is that crap coming from? For one and a half weeks back in October I got fed up with all of the negativity on the site and only posted twice. I never went away. I read every post here, I read every story on the Saints everywhere as I have every day for years, I proudly wore my Black and gold everyday as I have for the past 25 years or so. Don't you dare say I was in hiding. I was sick of reading your constant *****ing and moaning. You are so damned negative. Watch is your problem? All you do is complain about the Saints. Why do you even claim to be a fan?