Spags D

dizzle88 · 01-08-2017, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Spend on the Front 7, can't go wrong. Although they just got their ass handed to them by the Packers
The Packers defense isn't much better than ours

Unfortunately for us, it seems the Packers have a strength and conditioning coach who is actually good at his job.

Either that or since signing Brees, our FO get some kind of kick out of signing often injured players.

RockyMountainSaint · 01-11-2017, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Unfortunately for us, it seems the Packers have a strength and conditioning coach who is actually good at his job.

Either that or since signing Brees, our FO get some kind of kick out of signing often injured players.

The whole strength and conditioning thing is BS in the NFL.

In the NCAA it is extremely important.

The PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS in the NFL have personal contracts with supplement companies and personal trainers.
They do their own thing.

They do have an obligation to show up at camp ready to do their jobs.
This is especially important in their offseason conditioning.

If they fail to do so?

They are not committed to their profession.

No coach can motivate them to do so.

Also, The Greenbriar doesn't cause ACL tears nor does practicing in Metairie make joints or muscles tougher.

I do agree that the slow starts to the season could possibly be mitigated by tougher training camps on Airline Dr.
The Saints' 0-3 starts lately seem to point toward a "soft" mindset.

In no way do I believe that The Greenbriar contributes to soft tissue injuries.
I will entertain the idea that it makes the players less ready to start the season mentally tough.

AsylumGuido · 01-11-2017, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint

The whole strength and conditioning thing is BS in the NFL.

In the NCAA it is extremely important.

The PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS in the NFL have personal contracts with supplement companies and personal trainers.
They do their own thing.

They do have an obligation to show up at camp ready to do their jobs.
This is especially important in their offseason conditioning.

If they fail to do so?

They are not committed to their profession.

No coach can motivate them to do so.

Also, The Greenbriar doesn't cause ACL tears nor does practicing in Metairie make joints or muscles tougher.

I do agree that the slow starts to the season could possibly be mitigated by tougher training camps on Airline Dr.
The Saints' 0-3 starts lately seem to point toward a "soft" mindset.

In no way do I believe that The Greenbriar contributes to soft tissue injuries.
I will entertain the idea that it makes the players less ready to start the season mentally tough.

This is true. I just did some research on conditioning and its relation to injuries. To really have a material affect it has to be a year round routine. To strengthen knees to give some prevention against torn ligaments and such, it takes methodical work on each of the muscle groups around the knee to give an equal degree of strength. Any lack of balance between the muscle groups, no matter how strong all of the stronger groups are, can result in failure. This is not something that can be established during OTA's, mini-camps or training camps alone. It certainly isn't something that can be addressed during the season. As Rocky stated above, this is on the players themselves. In fact, under the current CBA, there is less time than ever that the team can spend with the players. They have to utilize the time they do have as best they can. Preventative conditioning is something that HAS to be accomplished by the players themselves.

Seer1 · 01-11-2017, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint

The whole strength and conditioning thing is BS in the NFL.

In the NCAA it is extremely important.

The PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS in the NFL have personal contracts with supplement companies and personal trainers.
They do their own thing.

They do have an obligation to show up at camp ready to do their jobs.
This is especially important in their offseason conditioning.

If they fail to do so?

They are not committed to their profession.

No coach can motivate them to do so.

Also, The Greenbriar doesn't cause ACL tears nor does practicing in Metairie make joints or muscles tougher.

I do agree that the slow starts to the season could possibly be mitigated by tougher training camps on Airline Dr.
The Saints' 0-3 starts lately seem to point toward a "soft" mindset.

In no way do I believe that The Greenbriar contributes to soft tissue injuries.
I will entertain the idea that it makes the players less ready to start the season mentally tough.

Agreed. Strength and conditioning shows in the fourth quarter, if it's going to show at all. It's the technique, scheme and situational awareness where our players are really lacking. Some injuries are just gonna happen, but I believe that just as many happen due to poor technique, Remember Kenny's tackling with only his helmet his first year? At least until he knocked himself out of the season.

saintsfan1976 · 01-08-2017, 07:28 PM

Report: Drugs on Party Yacht Used by Odell Beckham and Fellow Giants Receivers | Obsev

Giants weren't exactly focused...

halloween 65 · 01-08-2017, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Report: Drugs on Party Yacht Used by Odell Beckham and Fellow Giants Receivers | Obsev

Giants weren't exactly focused...

Pretty sad if that is true.

blackangold · 01-08-2017, 10:14 PM

Maybe the DC never mattered because we always had the same ****ty position coaches... Allen probably told Payton how trash they are and what he needed to make the D great again.

RailBoss · 01-08-2017, 10:35 PM

Judging by their performance in the Packers game I'm thinking they may have celebrated a bit too soon.

Beastmode · 01-09-2017, 12:29 AM

Cleaning house may not do anything. Probably a 10% chance we get to the ok zone.

Seer1 · 01-09-2017, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Cleaning house may not do anything. Probably a 10% chance we get to the ok zone.

Where's the don't like key? I've gotta go with it has a much larger chance at improving than in staying the same. There's not really much room for it to get any worse.

Granted, it's a big depends kind of thing. Depends on who they bring in, but DC after DC being saddled with Sean's boys have helped no one's cause. Except the opposing teams'.

Sooo, are they gonna **** themselves again next year?

Depends...

01-08-2017, 07:28 PM	#1
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: Spags D Originally Posted by Danno Spend on the Front 7, can't go wrong. Although they just got their ass handed to them by the Packers The Packers defense isn't much better than ours Unfortunately for us, it seems the Packers have a strength and conditioning coach who is actually good at his job. Either that or since signing Brees, our FO get some kind of kick out of signing often injured players.

01-11-2017, 12:46 AM	#2
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Re: Spags D Originally Posted by dizzle88 Unfortunately for us, it seems the Packers have a strength and conditioning coach who is actually good at his job. Either that or since signing Brees, our FO get some kind of kick out of signing often injured players. The whole strength and conditioning thing is BS in the NFL. In the NCAA it is extremely important. The PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS in the NFL have personal contracts with supplement companies and personal trainers. They do their own thing. They do have an obligation to show up at camp ready to do their jobs. This is especially important in their offseason conditioning. If they fail to do so? They are not committed to their profession. No coach can motivate them to do so. Also, The Greenbriar doesn't cause ACL tears nor does practicing in Metairie make joints or muscles tougher. I do agree that the slow starts to the season could possibly be mitigated by tougher training camps on Airline Dr. The Saints' 0-3 starts lately seem to point toward a "soft" mindset. In no way do I believe that The Greenbriar contributes to soft tissue injuries. I will entertain the idea that it makes the players less ready to start the season mentally tough. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.
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01-11-2017, 07:33 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Spags D Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint The whole strength and conditioning thing is BS in the NFL. In the NCAA it is extremely important. The PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS in the NFL have personal contracts with supplement companies and personal trainers. They do their own thing. They do have an obligation to show up at camp ready to do their jobs. This is especially important in their offseason conditioning. If they fail to do so? They are not committed to their profession. No coach can motivate them to do so. Also, The Greenbriar doesn't cause ACL tears nor does practicing in Metairie make joints or muscles tougher. I do agree that the slow starts to the season could possibly be mitigated by tougher training camps on Airline Dr. The Saints' 0-3 starts lately seem to point toward a "soft" mindset. In no way do I believe that The Greenbriar contributes to soft tissue injuries. I will entertain the idea that it makes the players less ready to start the season mentally tough. This is true. I just did some research on conditioning and its relation to injuries. To really have a material affect it has to be a year round routine. To strengthen knees to give some prevention against torn ligaments and such, it takes methodical work on each of the muscle groups around the knee to give an equal degree of strength. Any lack of balance between the muscle groups, no matter how strong all of the stronger groups are, can result in failure. This is not something that can be established during OTA's, mini-camps or training camps alone. It certainly isn't something that can be addressed during the season. As Rocky stated above, this is on the players themselves. In fact, under the current CBA, there is less time than ever that the team can spend with the players. They have to utilize the time they do have as best they can. Preventative conditioning is something that HAS to be accomplished by the players themselves.
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01-11-2017, 07:38 AM	#4
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Spags D Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint The whole strength and conditioning thing is BS in the NFL. In the NCAA it is extremely important. The PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS in the NFL have personal contracts with supplement companies and personal trainers. They do their own thing. They do have an obligation to show up at camp ready to do their jobs. This is especially important in their offseason conditioning. If they fail to do so? They are not committed to their profession. No coach can motivate them to do so. Also, The Greenbriar doesn't cause ACL tears nor does practicing in Metairie make joints or muscles tougher. I do agree that the slow starts to the season could possibly be mitigated by tougher training camps on Airline Dr. The Saints' 0-3 starts lately seem to point toward a "soft" mindset. In no way do I believe that The Greenbriar contributes to soft tissue injuries. I will entertain the idea that it makes the players less ready to start the season mentally tough. Agreed. Strength and conditioning shows in the fourth quarter, if it's going to show at all. It's the technique, scheme and situational awareness where our players are really lacking. Some injuries are just gonna happen, but I believe that just as many happen due to poor technique, Remember Kenny's tackling with only his helmet his first year? At least until he knocked himself out of the season.

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01-08-2017, 10:14 PM	#7
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Spags D Maybe the DC never mattered because we always had the same ****ty position coaches... Allen probably told Payton how trash they are and what he needed to make the D great again. RockyMountainSaint and Seer1 like this.

01-08-2017, 10:35 PM	#8
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Spags D Judging by their performance in the Packers game I'm thinking they may have celebrated a bit too soon.

01-09-2017, 12:29 AM	#9
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Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Spags D Originally Posted by Beastmode Cleaning house may not do anything. Probably a 10% chance we get to the ok zone. Where's the don't like key? I've gotta go with it has a much larger chance at improving than in staying the same. There's not really much room for it to get any worse. Granted, it's a big depends kind of thing. Depends on who they bring in, but DC after DC being saddled with Sean's boys have helped no one's cause. Except the opposing teams'. Sooo, are they gonna **** themselves again next year? Depends... RockyMountainSaint likes this.

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