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RockyMountainSaint · 01-11-2017, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Unfortunately for us, it seems the Packers have a strength and conditioning coach who is actually good at his job.

Either that or since signing Brees, our FO get some kind of kick out of signing often injured players.

The whole strength and conditioning thing is BS in the NFL.

In the NCAA it is extremely important.

The PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS in the NFL have personal contracts with supplement companies and personal trainers.
They do their own thing.

They do have an obligation to show up at camp ready to do their jobs.
This is especially important in their offseason conditioning.

If they fail to do so?

They are not committed to their profession.

No coach can motivate them to do so.

Also, The Greenbriar doesn't cause ACL tears nor does practicing in Metairie make joints or muscles tougher.

I do agree that the slow starts to the season could possibly be mitigated by tougher training camps on Airline Dr.
The Saints' 0-3 starts lately seem to point toward a "soft" mindset.

In no way do I believe that The Greenbriar contributes to soft tissue injuries.
I will entertain the idea that it makes the players less ready to start the season mentally tough.

AsylumGuido · 01-11-2017, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint

The whole strength and conditioning thing is BS in the NFL.

In the NCAA it is extremely important.

The PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS in the NFL have personal contracts with supplement companies and personal trainers.
They do their own thing.

They do have an obligation to show up at camp ready to do their jobs.
This is especially important in their offseason conditioning.

If they fail to do so?

They are not committed to their profession.

No coach can motivate them to do so.

Also, The Greenbriar doesn't cause ACL tears nor does practicing in Metairie make joints or muscles tougher.

I do agree that the slow starts to the season could possibly be mitigated by tougher training camps on Airline Dr.
The Saints' 0-3 starts lately seem to point toward a "soft" mindset.

In no way do I believe that The Greenbriar contributes to soft tissue injuries.
I will entertain the idea that it makes the players less ready to start the season mentally tough.

This is true. I just did some research on conditioning and its relation to injuries. To really have a material affect it has to be a year round routine. To strengthen knees to give some prevention against torn ligaments and such, it takes methodical work on each of the muscle groups around the knee to give an equal degree of strength. Any lack of balance between the muscle groups, no matter how strong all of the stronger groups are, can result in failure. This is not something that can be established during OTA's, mini-camps or training camps alone. It certainly isn't something that can be addressed during the season. As Rocky stated above, this is on the players themselves. In fact, under the current CBA, there is less time than ever that the team can spend with the players. They have to utilize the time they do have as best they can. Preventative conditioning is something that HAS to be accomplished by the players themselves.

Seer1 · 01-11-2017, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint

The whole strength and conditioning thing is BS in the NFL.

In the NCAA it is extremely important.

The PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS in the NFL have personal contracts with supplement companies and personal trainers.
They do their own thing.

They do have an obligation to show up at camp ready to do their jobs.
This is especially important in their offseason conditioning.

If they fail to do so?

They are not committed to their profession.

No coach can motivate them to do so.

Also, The Greenbriar doesn't cause ACL tears nor does practicing in Metairie make joints or muscles tougher.

I do agree that the slow starts to the season could possibly be mitigated by tougher training camps on Airline Dr.
The Saints' 0-3 starts lately seem to point toward a "soft" mindset.

In no way do I believe that The Greenbriar contributes to soft tissue injuries.
I will entertain the idea that it makes the players less ready to start the season mentally tough.

Agreed. Strength and conditioning shows in the fourth quarter, if it's going to show at all. It's the technique, scheme and situational awareness where our players are really lacking. Some injuries are just gonna happen, but I believe that just as many happen due to poor technique, Remember Kenny's tackling with only his helmet his first year? At least until he knocked himself out of the season.

st thomas · 01-11-2017, 07:52 AM

its called a 100 million dollar investment

st thomas · 01-11-2017, 08:04 AM

sitting vacarro the last 4 was the smartest move the front office made since 2009. we need that guy in the start of a new season if at all have a chance to break out of these 0-3 freakin starts,we new we were doomed for playoffs this year. we are still a couple of pieces away, hopefully the draft and most likely free agency with a little more cash in hand i've heard in 17 will get it done xxxxx fingers.

The Dude · 01-11-2017, 09:27 AM

Spent a TON of money on the D line. That's the key. One unit.

Rugby Saint II · 01-11-2017, 11:38 AM

Every since Payton came back from his year off in shape from cross fit training he implemented the workout into the program. I read somewhere that cross fit isn't good on the tendons and ligaments which could explain the abnormally high number of injuries. It's just a theory though.

01-11-2017, 12:46 AM	#21
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Re: Spags D Originally Posted by dizzle88 Unfortunately for us, it seems the Packers have a strength and conditioning coach who is actually good at his job. Either that or since signing Brees, our FO get some kind of kick out of signing often injured players. The whole strength and conditioning thing is BS in the NFL. In the NCAA it is extremely important. The PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS in the NFL have personal contracts with supplement companies and personal trainers. They do their own thing. They do have an obligation to show up at camp ready to do their jobs. This is especially important in their offseason conditioning. If they fail to do so? They are not committed to their profession. No coach can motivate them to do so. Also, The Greenbriar doesn't cause ACL tears nor does practicing in Metairie make joints or muscles tougher. I do agree that the slow starts to the season could possibly be mitigated by tougher training camps on Airline Dr. The Saints' 0-3 starts lately seem to point toward a "soft" mindset. In no way do I believe that The Greenbriar contributes to soft tissue injuries. I will entertain the idea that it makes the players less ready to start the season mentally tough. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.
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01-11-2017, 07:33 AM	#22
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: Spags D Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint The whole strength and conditioning thing is BS in the NFL. In the NCAA it is extremely important. The PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS in the NFL have personal contracts with supplement companies and personal trainers. They do their own thing. They do have an obligation to show up at camp ready to do their jobs. This is especially important in their offseason conditioning. If they fail to do so? They are not committed to their profession. No coach can motivate them to do so. Also, The Greenbriar doesn't cause ACL tears nor does practicing in Metairie make joints or muscles tougher. I do agree that the slow starts to the season could possibly be mitigated by tougher training camps on Airline Dr. The Saints' 0-3 starts lately seem to point toward a "soft" mindset. In no way do I believe that The Greenbriar contributes to soft tissue injuries. I will entertain the idea that it makes the players less ready to start the season mentally tough. This is true. I just did some research on conditioning and its relation to injuries. To really have a material affect it has to be a year round routine. To strengthen knees to give some prevention against torn ligaments and such, it takes methodical work on each of the muscle groups around the knee to give an equal degree of strength. Any lack of balance between the muscle groups, no matter how strong all of the stronger groups are, can result in failure. This is not something that can be established during OTA's, mini-camps or training camps alone. It certainly isn't something that can be addressed during the season. As Rocky stated above, this is on the players themselves. In fact, under the current CBA, there is less time than ever that the team can spend with the players. They have to utilize the time they do have as best they can. Preventative conditioning is something that HAS to be accomplished by the players themselves.
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01-11-2017, 07:38 AM	#23
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Spags D Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint The whole strength and conditioning thing is BS in the NFL. In the NCAA it is extremely important. The PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS in the NFL have personal contracts with supplement companies and personal trainers. They do their own thing. They do have an obligation to show up at camp ready to do their jobs. This is especially important in their offseason conditioning. If they fail to do so? They are not committed to their profession. No coach can motivate them to do so. Also, The Greenbriar doesn't cause ACL tears nor does practicing in Metairie make joints or muscles tougher. I do agree that the slow starts to the season could possibly be mitigated by tougher training camps on Airline Dr. The Saints' 0-3 starts lately seem to point toward a "soft" mindset. In no way do I believe that The Greenbriar contributes to soft tissue injuries. I will entertain the idea that it makes the players less ready to start the season mentally tough. Agreed. Strength and conditioning shows in the fourth quarter, if it's going to show at all. It's the technique, scheme and situational awareness where our players are really lacking. Some injuries are just gonna happen, but I believe that just as many happen due to poor technique, Remember Kenny's tackling with only his helmet his first year? At least until he knocked himself out of the season.

01-11-2017, 07:52 AM	#24
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01-11-2017, 08:04 AM	#25
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01-11-2017, 09:27 AM	#26
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,720	Re: Spags D Every since Payton came back from his year off in shape from cross fit training he implemented the workout into the program. I read somewhere that cross fit isn't good on the tendons and ligaments which could explain the abnormally high number of injuries. It's just a theory though. RockyMountainSaint likes this.

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