Should receivers get paid by thier stats?

GumboBC · 03-17-2005, 05:01 PM

Much has been made about Joe Horn's stats. Okay ... but does that mean Joe Horn is a top 5 receiver. Hell, does that mean he's a top 10 receiver?

Here's some other stats I want to throw out there...

Hines Ward:
2001 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 16 94 1003
2002 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 16 112 1329
2003 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 16 95 1163
2004 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 16 80 1004

Derick Mason:
2001 Tennessee Titans 15 15 73 1128
2002 Tennessee Titans 14 14 79 1012
2003 Tennessee Titans 16 16 95 1303
2004 Tennessee Titans 16 16 96 1168

Tory Holt:
2000 STL 16 15 82 1635
2001 STL 16 15 81 1363
2002 STL 16 12 91 1302
2003 STL 16 15 117 1696
2004 STL 16 16 94 1372

Amani Toomer:
1999 New York Giants 16 16 79 1183
2000 New York Giants 16 14 78 1094
2001 New York Giants 16 14 72 1054
2002 New York Giants 16 16 82 1343
2003 New York Giants 16 16 63 1057

Issac Bruce:
1999 St. Louis Rams 16 16 77 1165
2000 St. Louis Rams 16 16 87 1471
2001 St. Louis Rams 16 16 64 1106
2002 St. Louis Rams 16 16 79 1075
2003 St. Louis Rams 15 15 69 981
2004 St. Louis Rams 16 16 89 1292

Rod Smith
1998 Denver Broncos 16 16 86 1222
1999 Denver Broncos 15 15 79 1020
2000 Denver Broncos 16 16 100 1602
2001 Denver Broncos 15 14 113 1343
2002 Denver Broncos 16 16 89 1027
2003 Denver Broncos 15 15 74 845
2004 Denver Broncos 16 16 79 1144

Okay, that's 6 guys who put up numbers about like Joe Horn. OR BETTER THAN JOE HORN.

And then that still leaves guys like this:

Muhsin Muhammad ?
Randy Moss?
Marvin Harrison?
Terrell Owens?
Chad Johnson?
Steve Smith?
Javon Walker?
Roy Williams?
Donald Driver?

I just can't see giving Joe Horn top 5 money based off his stats.

[Edited on 17/3/2005 by GumboBC]

Tobias-Reiper · 03-17-2005, 05:10 PM

Possibility of any of those guys being in a Saints uniform in the next couple of years?

..like it\'s been said before, Horn may not be \"top 5\", or \"top 10\", but he\'s \"#1\" in N.O.... and #1 by faaar.

dberce1 · 03-17-2005, 05:13 PM

Should receivers get paid by thier stats

As if we don\'t have to hear the WRs crying about \"not getting the ball enough\" now, I can imagine if they were paid in direct correlation with their stats. It\'d be mutiny.

rAge · 03-17-2005, 05:16 PM

Best WR\'s in the NFL -
1-Randy Moss
2-Terrell Owens
3-Marvin Harrison
t4-Joe Horn
t4-Torry Holt
t4-Chad Johnson
5-Hines Ward

It\'s just that simple.

papz · 03-17-2005, 05:37 PM

Who wouldn\'t want to get paid by their stats no matter what position... he deserves the contract Mason got, which is perfectly fair. Now if we are talking Moss and Harrison money, I don\'t agree.

JKool · 03-17-2005, 10:09 PM

Pay WR\'s based on stats? No.

Pay WR\'s based on the value they bring to the team and available alternatives? Yes.

saintswhodi · 03-17-2005, 10:14 PM

Pay WR\'s based on the value they bring to the team and available alternatives?

So the \"who out there is better\" idea jumps up again for another player on this team. Boy we are screwed. :casstet:

JKool · 03-17-2005, 10:17 PM

You don\'t think that is a factor, Whodi?

It seems to me that it is a major factor in deciding the relative price of a player in FA - supply and demand. If there are many alternatives, the price is lower, right? If there are fewer, the price is higher.

Seems to me that the amound we should be willing to pay for Joe is relative to our chances of replacing his skill set. That sounds rational to me.

I\'m certainly not in the \"pay Joe\" camp. However, I\'m not in the \"cut his sorry azz\" camp either (and I know you\'re not either). That said, you\'re not opposed to paying him, say 3-4 mil for the next 2-3 are you? That isn\'t top 10 money, but it ain\'t too shabby for an older WR who has come through in the cluch on many occasions?

natedogg02 · 03-17-2005, 10:19 PM

yes i think every postion should get paid by performance. That would take care of players that play hard untill they get that contract, (Boo williams) (Fred thomas) etc.

papz · 03-17-2005, 10:25 PM

Fred Thomas earned his contract. He deserved it after busting his behind here and performed really well. But after he got his money, he regressed. Hopefully next year we\'ll see the old Fred Thomas who was very solid the year before. If he is back to form and along with Mike, Brown, Craft, Thomas, Smith, Bellamy, Mitchell... we will have one the the strongest secondaries we have ever had. I\'m not saying that it can\'t be improved, but better than recent years.

03-17-2005, 05:01 PM	#1
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Should receivers get paid by thier stats? Much has been made about Joe Horn's stats. Okay ... but does that mean Joe Horn is a top 5 receiver. Hell, does that mean he's a top 10 receiver? Here's some other stats I want to throw out there... Hines Ward: 2001 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 16 94 1003 2002 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 16 112 1329 2003 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 16 95 1163 2004 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 16 80 1004 Derick Mason: 2001 Tennessee Titans 15 15 73 1128 2002 Tennessee Titans 14 14 79 1012 2003 Tennessee Titans 16 16 95 1303 2004 Tennessee Titans 16 16 96 1168 Tory Holt: 2000 STL 16 15 82 1635 2001 STL 16 15 81 1363 2002 STL 16 12 91 1302 2003 STL 16 15 117 1696 2004 STL 16 16 94 1372 Amani Toomer: 1999 New York Giants 16 16 79 1183 2000 New York Giants 16 14 78 1094 2001 New York Giants 16 14 72 1054 2002 New York Giants 16 16 82 1343 2003 New York Giants 16 16 63 1057 Issac Bruce: 1999 St. Louis Rams 16 16 77 1165 2000 St. Louis Rams 16 16 87 1471 2001 St. Louis Rams 16 16 64 1106 2002 St. Louis Rams 16 16 79 1075 2003 St. Louis Rams 15 15 69 981 2004 St. Louis Rams 16 16 89 1292 Rod Smith 1998 Denver Broncos 16 16 86 1222 1999 Denver Broncos 15 15 79 1020 2000 Denver Broncos 16 16 100 1602 2001 Denver Broncos 15 14 113 1343 2002 Denver Broncos 16 16 89 1027 2003 Denver Broncos 15 15 74 845 2004 Denver Broncos 16 16 79 1144 Okay, that's 6 guys who put up numbers about like Joe Horn. OR BETTER THAN JOE HORN. And then that still leaves guys like this: Muhsin Muhammad ? Randy Moss? Marvin Harrison? Terrell Owens? Chad Johnson? Steve Smith? Javon Walker? Roy Williams? Donald Driver? I just can't see giving Joe Horn top 5 money based off his stats. [Edited on 17/3/2005 by GumboBC]
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03-17-2005, 05:10 PM	#2
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Should receivers get paid by thier stats? Possibility of any of those guys being in a Saints uniform in the next couple of years? ..like it\'s been said before, Horn may not be \"top 5\", or \"top 10\", but he\'s \"#1\" in N.O.... and #1 by faaar.

03-17-2005, 05:13 PM	#3
dberce1 Chuck Liddells Right Hand Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Prairieville, Louisiana Posts: 1,227	Should receivers get paid by thier stats? Should receivers get paid by thier stats As if we don\'t have to hear the WRs crying about \"not getting the ball enough\" now, I can imagine if they were paid in direct correlation with their stats. It\'d be mutiny.

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rAge 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 320	Should receivers get paid by thier stats? Best WR\'s in the NFL - 1-Randy Moss 2-Terrell Owens 3-Marvin Harrison t4-Joe Horn t4-Torry Holt t4-Chad Johnson 5-Hines Ward It\'s just that simple.
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papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	Should receivers get paid by thier stats? Who wouldn\'t want to get paid by their stats no matter what position... he deserves the contract Mason got, which is perfectly fair. Now if we are talking Moss and Harrison money, I don\'t agree.

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03-17-2005, 10:09 PM	#6
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Should receivers get paid by thier stats? Pay WR\'s based on stats? No. Pay WR\'s based on the value they bring to the team and available alternatives? Yes.

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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Should receivers get paid by thier stats? Pay WR\'s based on the value they bring to the team and available alternatives? So the \"who out there is better\" idea jumps up again for another player on this team. Boy we are screwed. :casstet:

03-17-2005, 10:17 PM	#8
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Should receivers get paid by thier stats? You don\'t think that is a factor, Whodi? It seems to me that it is a major factor in deciding the relative price of a player in FA - supply and demand. If there are many alternatives, the price is lower, right? If there are fewer, the price is higher. Seems to me that the amound we should be willing to pay for Joe is relative to our chances of replacing his skill set. That sounds rational to me. I\'m certainly not in the \"pay Joe\" camp. However, I\'m not in the \"cut his sorry azz\" camp either (and I know you\'re not either). That said, you\'re not opposed to paying him, say 3-4 mil for the next 2-3 are you? That isn\'t top 10 money, but it ain\'t too shabby for an older WR who has come through in the cluch on many occasions?
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03-17-2005, 10:19 PM	#9
natedogg02 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 145	Should receivers get paid by thier stats? yes i think every postion should get paid by performance. That would take care of players that play hard untill they get that contract, (Boo williams) (Fred thomas) etc.
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03-17-2005, 10:25 PM	#10
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	Should receivers get paid by thier stats? Fred Thomas earned his contract. He deserved it after busting his behind here and performed really well. But after he got his money, he regressed. Hopefully next year we\'ll see the old Fred Thomas who was very solid the year before. If he is back to form and along with Mike, Brown, Craft, Thomas, Smith, Bellamy, Mitchell... we will have one the the strongest secondaries we have ever had. I\'m not saying that it can\'t be improved, but better than recent years.