CSC: If cut, Saints should welcome Jimmy Graham home with open arms

halloween 65 · 01-23-2017, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

He was traded because he had enough value to get Unger in return. Don't forget, Payton had originally offered Kenny Stills for Unger, but Seattle demanded Graham. But, yes, Graham was soft, but Fleener isn't looking any tougher and appears to have issues catching the ball. Graham has also supposedly worked on improving his blocking skills. The little I saw he did actually engage more often than he did in his time with the Saints. Seattle just never used him to his strengths. For the right price he could be a huge upgrade.

I got to agree 100% about Fleener. True Graham would be an upgrade over Fleener and we need a TE badly, I just can't see it being Graham, I might be wrong but I would look high and low before I brought him back because when he got that contract he basically give up.

skymike · 01-31-2017, 10:21 PM

Hell yeah, I'd take him back, if we can afford him

jeanpierre · 01-24-2017, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

He was traded for a reason. He was soft and I haven't seen much if any change.

You did watch the video? You did read the comment that he had another decleater like that earlier in the game? You have read and do realize that Seattle would not throw him the ball (include him in offense) until he learned to block and gained the respect of his teammates? Don't know if he'd want to even come back (assuming he'd be released), but he'd definitely be an upgrade over Fleener and damn near the same cost...

Utah_Saint · 01-23-2017, 11:32 PM

I'd love to have Graham back. Cooks, Thomas, Snead and Graham would be an amazing receiving corp.

I don't think it'll happen though. Even if the Seahawks cut him, he'll still get a pretty penny on the open market.

RailBoss · 01-24-2017, 12:27 AM

I think the Jimmy Graham ship has sailed and it aint coming back to the Gulf anytime soon.

spkb25 · 01-24-2017, 03:12 AM

Dude if he comes back at a reasonable rate, why not? How does it hurt to add another weapon. My guess, however, is Seattle extends and renegotiates. Who knows, but I don't see JG coming back. If he does though, who is going to complain. He doesn't drop them like the almighty fleecer

hagan714 · 01-24-2017, 06:06 AM

Fleener has issues but one year there has been signs of hope for next year. While his play on the other hand makes his chance of cashing in on the big bucks in the final 2 years of his mighty thin. Next year is all about the money for both parties.

Cap - dead
2018 $8,000,000 $4,800,000
2019 $9,000,000 $3,200,000
2020 $9,100,000 $1,600,000

Jimmy Graham $10 million cap hit (no dead money involved).

that is amazing. Saints proved one thing. Get that tall TE and enjoy the match up issues they cause. throw it up and hang them out to dry early and often. their shelf life is short so strike while the trade value is good and before they become part of the annual IR rotation

I would not sign him. not for that kind of money. prove you can stay healty contract would be an option

Saints want a solution? trade down pocket some picks and draft
O.J. Howard TE Alabama 6055 251 4.57 #88 Sr

Now you have your out in 2018 to dump Fleener and up grade the blocking in one move. If all works out well then so be it. Fleener does not appear to be the type of player to thrive in a duel TE system. It was a failure in Indi.

AsylumGuido · 01-24-2017, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Fleener has issues but one year there has been signs of hope for next year. While his play on the other hand makes his chance of cashing in on the big bucks in the final 2 years of his mighty thin. Next year is all about the money for both parties.

Cap - dead
2018 $8,000,000 $4,800,000
2019 $9,000,000 $3,200,000
2020 $9,100,000 $1,600,000

Jimmy Graham $10 million cap hit (no dead money involved).

that is amazing. Saints proved one thing. Get that tall TE and enjoy the match up issues they cause. throw it up and hang them out to dry early and often. their shelf life is short so strike while the trade value is good and before they become part of the annual IR rotation

I would not sign him. not for that kind of money. prove you can stay healty contract would be an option

Saints want a solution? trade down pocket some picks and draft
O.J. Howard TE Alabama 6055 251 4.57 #88 Sr

Now you have your out in 2018 to dump Fleener and up grade the blocking in one move. If all works out well then so be it. Fleener does not appear to be the type of player to thrive in a duel TE system. It was a failure in Indi.

Was it a failure because of him or the coaching?

dizzle88 · 01-24-2017, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Was it a failure because of him or the coaching?

Only time will tell.

The knock coming out of college and in Indy was he drops passes at crucial stages, he killed a ton of drives for us.

Devery Henderson turned from butter fingers to one of the most reliable receivers in our offense, but he had Curtis Johnson who was possibly the best positional coach we've ever had in the SP era.

jeanpierre · 01-24-2017, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Only time will tell.

The knock coming out of college and in Indy was he drops passes at crucial stages, he killed a ton of drives for us.

Devery Henderson turned from butter fingers to one of the most reliable receivers in our offense, but he had Curtis Johnson who was possibly the best positional coach we've ever had in the SP era.

Dan Roushar? Aaron Glenn? Aaron Kromer? John Morton?

These guys have been every bit as good as CJ...

01-23-2017, 10:10 PM	#1
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: CSC: If cut, Saints should welcome Jimmy Graham home with open arms Originally Posted by AsylumGuido He was traded because he had enough value to get Unger in return. Don't forget, Payton had originally offered Kenny Stills for Unger, but Seattle demanded Graham. But, yes, Graham was soft, but Fleener isn't looking any tougher and appears to have issues catching the ball. Graham has also supposedly worked on improving his blocking skills. The little I saw he did actually engage more often than he did in his time with the Saints. Seattle just never used him to his strengths. For the right price he could be a huge upgrade. I got to agree 100% about Fleener. True Graham would be an upgrade over Fleener and we need a TE badly, I just can't see it being Graham, I might be wrong but I would look high and low before I brought him back because when he got that contract he basically give up. SaintFanQ likes this.

01-31-2017, 10:21 PM	#2
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: CSC: If cut, Saints should welcome Jimmy Graham home with open arms Hell yeah, I'd take him back, if we can afford him

01-24-2017, 12:52 AM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: CSC: If cut, Saints should welcome Jimmy Graham home with open arms Originally Posted by halloween 65 He was traded for a reason. He was soft and I haven't seen much if any change. You did watch the video? You did read the comment that he had another decleater like that earlier in the game? You have read and do realize that Seattle would not throw him the ball (include him in offense) until he learned to block and gained the respect of his teammates? Don't know if he'd want to even come back (assuming he'd be released), but he'd definitely be an upgrade over Fleener and damn near the same cost... AsylumGuido likes this.

01-23-2017, 11:32 PM	#4
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: CSC: If cut, Saints should welcome Jimmy Graham home with open arms I'd love to have Graham back. Cooks, Thomas, Snead and Graham would be an amazing receiving corp. I don't think it'll happen though. Even if the Seahawks cut him, he'll still get a pretty penny on the open market.

01-24-2017, 12:27 AM	#5
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: CSC: If cut, Saints should welcome Jimmy Graham home with open arms I think the Jimmy Graham ship has sailed and it aint coming back to the Gulf anytime soon.

01-24-2017, 03:12 AM	#6
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: CSC: If cut, Saints should welcome Jimmy Graham home with open arms Dude if he comes back at a reasonable rate, why not? How does it hurt to add another weapon. My guess, however, is Seattle extends and renegotiates. Who knows, but I don't see JG coming back. If he does though, who is going to complain. He doesn't drop them like the almighty fleecer jnormand likes this.

01-24-2017, 06:06 AM	#7
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: CSC: If cut, Saints should welcome Jimmy Graham home with open arms Fleener has issues but one year there has been signs of hope for next year. While his play on the other hand makes his chance of cashing in on the big bucks in the final 2 years of his mighty thin. Next year is all about the money for both parties. Cap - dead 2018 $8,000,000 $4,800,000 2019 $9,000,000 $3,200,000 2020 $9,100,000 $1,600,000 Jimmy Graham $10 million cap hit (no dead money involved). that is amazing. Saints proved one thing. Get that tall TE and enjoy the match up issues they cause. throw it up and hang them out to dry early and often. their shelf life is short so strike while the trade value is good and before they become part of the annual IR rotation I would not sign him. not for that kind of money. prove you can stay healty contract would be an option Saints want a solution? trade down pocket some picks and draft O.J. Howard TE Alabama 6055 251 4.57 #88 Sr Now you have your out in 2018 to dump Fleener and up grade the blocking in one move. If all works out well then so be it. Fleener does not appear to be the type of player to thrive in a duel TE system. It was a failure in Indi. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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01-24-2017, 08:56 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,853	Re: CSC: If cut, Saints should welcome Jimmy Graham home with open arms Originally Posted by hagan714 Fleener has issues but one year there has been signs of hope for next year. While his play on the other hand makes his chance of cashing in on the big bucks in the final 2 years of his mighty thin. Next year is all about the money for both parties. Cap - dead 2018 $8,000,000 $4,800,000 2019 $9,000,000 $3,200,000 2020 $9,100,000 $1,600,000 Jimmy Graham $10 million cap hit (no dead money involved). that is amazing. Saints proved one thing. Get that tall TE and enjoy the match up issues they cause. throw it up and hang them out to dry early and often. their shelf life is short so strike while the trade value is good and before they become part of the annual IR rotation I would not sign him. not for that kind of money. prove you can stay healty contract would be an option Saints want a solution? trade down pocket some picks and draft O.J. Howard TE Alabama 6055 251 4.57 #88 Sr Now you have your out in 2018 to dump Fleener and up grade the blocking in one move. If all works out well then so be it. Fleener does not appear to be the type of player to thrive in a duel TE system. It was a failure in Indi. Was it a failure because of him or the coaching? hagan714 likes this.

01-24-2017, 09:01 AM	#9
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,560	Re: CSC: If cut, Saints should welcome Jimmy Graham home with open arms Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Was it a failure because of him or the coaching? Only time will tell. The knock coming out of college and in Indy was he drops passes at crucial stages, he killed a ton of drives for us. Devery Henderson turned from butter fingers to one of the most reliable receivers in our offense, but he had Curtis Johnson who was possibly the best positional coach we've ever had in the SP era. Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-24-2017, 10:06 AM	#10
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: CSC: If cut, Saints should welcome Jimmy Graham home with open arms Originally Posted by dizzle88 Only time will tell. The knock coming out of college and in Indy was he drops passes at crucial stages, he killed a ton of drives for us. Devery Henderson turned from butter fingers to one of the most reliable receivers in our offense, but he had Curtis Johnson who was possibly the best positional coach we've ever had in the SP era. Dan Roushar? Aaron Glenn? Aaron Kromer? John Morton? These guys have been every bit as good as CJ...

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