Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday!

voodooido · 03-14-2017, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I agree that Loomis and Payton are desperate, but not because they have any fear of losing their jobs. They are desperate because they want to win.

You might be the only person on earth that thinks those two are safe. 3 7-9 seasons in a row with Brees as qb.

halloween 65 · 03-14-2017, 12:24 PM

BB strikes again. As deep as this draft is at cb. and depth at the defense side to strenghten this team for years to come, Payton takes a cb. from NE giving up picks is stupid.A team only does that if a team is that position player away from completing a solid D, in which we are nowhere near. OUR CUP DON'T RUNNITH OVER ON THE D SIDE.

voodooido · 03-14-2017, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Put on your GM hat for a second ...

Maybe most coaches feel Proven over The Unknown is too hard to pass up. No?

Hen why did we trade cooks!?!?!?!? Sure he wanted out, so does butler. Why give a 1? We just gave away a guy in the same boat.

Euphoria · 03-14-2017, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Hen why did we trade cooks!?!?!?!? Sure he wanted out, so does butler. Why give a 1? We just gave away a guy in the same boat.

Difference is one was a WR who we can replace the other is D which we badly need help at...

halloween 65 · 03-14-2017, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I don't know if you guys realize how desperate we are. If we have another forgettable season Brees and Payton could both easily be gone. This season is it for righting the ship.

I couldn't agree more. Payton is selling his soul trying to put together a D for his boy Allen(which I have no faith whatsoever in) to run. It amazes me how long and many years that fielding a dreadful D has caused us to stink it up and he has done little to nothing til now. I think Paytons fate is going to depend totally on how his boys Allens D performs and if it fails I hope they fire Payton and Allen.

ScottF · 03-14-2017, 12:40 PM

Man, a lot of people really have a lot of faith in our drafting skills.
I'd much rather have a 27 year old starter than another Cie Grant Jonathan Sullivan Usama Young Sedric Ellis and 5 different CB's

Jonathan Vilma for a second was one of our best deals ever

halloween 65 · 03-14-2017, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Man, a lot of people really have a lot of faith in our drafting skills.
I'd much rather have a 27 year old starter than another Cie Grant Jonathan Sullivan Usama Young Sedric Ellis and 5 different CB's

Jonathan Vilma for a second was one of our best deals ever

I use to have no faith in our drafting but Ireland has helped me with that more than one could know. It's a great D draft and I really hated giving NE that 4th in the Cooks trade to be honest solely because of depth. I'm not in favor of having to give high picks when they can be used to build on.

jnormand · 03-14-2017, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Man, a lot of people really have a lot of faith in our drafting skills.
I'd much rather have a 27 year old starter than another Cie Grant Jonathan Sullivan Usama Young Sedric Ellis and 5 different CB's

Jonathan Vilma for a second was one of our best deals ever

I agree Scotty and if it's 2nd and a decent fair contract, great. The thing is this is the Pats we're dealing with. I'm not in favor of giving up a first round pick for Butler. I honestly think they tagged him over his value so they could move him and get a first for him. They know he's not worth that. They probably already knew they'd get Gilmore. So at best they'd give Butler a one year deal and let him walk.

Cruize · 03-14-2017, 01:20 PM

Just say no. The price is WAY too high. He's a good player. He's NOT a great player. BB and his staff get the MOST out of they're players. I wouldn't sign him to the money, let alone the draft picks.

CheramieIII · 03-14-2017, 01:21 PM

If Loomis can work a deal that has little effect on the cap this season and we only trade the 3rd back to the Patriots then it's a great pickup.

Butler will improve our secondary dramatically and getting Sterling Moore to resign is a priority now. If we get both we will not draft a CB in the 1st 3 rounds but DE and OL.

03-14-2017, 12:23 PM	#31
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,842	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I agree that Loomis and Payton are desperate, but not because they have any fear of losing their jobs. They are desperate because they want to win. You might be the only person on earth that thinks those two are safe. 3 7-9 seasons in a row with Brees as qb. Euphoria, Rsanders24, leilung and 1 others like this.
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03-14-2017, 12:24 PM	#32
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! BB strikes again. As deep as this draft is at cb. and depth at the defense side to strenghten this team for years to come, Payton takes a cb. from NE giving up picks is stupid.A team only does that if a team is that position player away from completing a solid D, in which we are nowhere near. OUR CUP DON'T RUNNITH OVER ON THE D SIDE. nola_swammi and MarchingOn like this.

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voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,842	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by K Major Put on your GM hat for a second ... Maybe most coaches feel Proven over The Unknown is too hard to pass up. No? Hen why did we trade cooks!?!?!?!? Sure he wanted out, so does butler. Why give a 1? We just gave away a guy in the same boat. Rsanders24 likes this.
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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by voodooido Hen why did we trade cooks!?!?!?!? Sure he wanted out, so does butler. Why give a 1? We just gave away a guy in the same boat. Difference is one was a WR who we can replace the other is D which we badly need help at... saintsfan1976 likes this.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I don't know if you guys realize how desperate we are. If we have another forgettable season Brees and Payton could both easily be gone. This season is it for righting the ship. I couldn't agree more. Payton is selling his soul trying to put together a D for his boy Allen(which I have no faith whatsoever in) to run. It amazes me how long and many years that fielding a dreadful D has caused us to stink it up and he has done little to nothing til now. I think Paytons fate is going to depend totally on how his boys Allens D performs and if it fails I hope they fire Payton and Allen.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by ScottF Man, a lot of people really have a lot of faith in our drafting skills. I'd much rather have a 27 year old starter than another Cie Grant Jonathan Sullivan Usama Young Sedric Ellis and 5 different CB's Jonathan Vilma for a second was one of our best deals ever I use to have no faith in our drafting but Ireland has helped me with that more than one could know. It's a great D draft and I really hated giving NE that 4th in the Cooks trade to be honest solely because of depth. I'm not in favor of having to give high picks when they can be used to build on. Rugby Saint II and MarchingOn like this.

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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,771	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by ScottF Man, a lot of people really have a lot of faith in our drafting skills. I'd much rather have a 27 year old starter than another Cie Grant Jonathan Sullivan Usama Young Sedric Ellis and 5 different CB's Jonathan Vilma for a second was one of our best deals ever I agree Scotty and if it's 2nd and a decent fair contract, great. The thing is this is the Pats we're dealing with. I'm not in favor of giving up a first round pick for Butler. I honestly think they tagged him over his value so they could move him and get a first for him. They know he's not worth that. They probably already knew they'd get Gilmore. So at best they'd give Butler a one year deal and let him walk.

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Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,467	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Just say no. The price is WAY too high. He's a good player. He's NOT a great player. BB and his staff get the MOST out of they're players. I wouldn't sign him to the money, let alone the draft picks.
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CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,497 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! If Loomis can work a deal that has little effect on the cap this season and we only trade the 3rd back to the Patriots then it's a great pickup. Butler will improve our secondary dramatically and getting Sterling Moore to resign is a priority now. If we get both we will not draft a CB in the 1st 3 rounds but DE and OL.

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