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hagan714 04-11-2017 06:13 AM

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If OJ is off the board i pray for a trade down

ChrisXVI 04-12-2017 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 744334)
If OJ is off the board i pray for a trade down

Neither will happen and we'll draft a player that you don't like... Same as every year.

hagan714 04-12-2017 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 744445)
Neither will happen and we'll draft a player that you don't like... Same as every year.

yep i am ready for it. god help me if they do draft OJ. i will be 6 feet under before round 2 starts

ChrisXVI 04-12-2017 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 744489)
yep i am ready for it. god help me if they do draft OJ. i will be 6 feet under before round 2 starts

Same here buddy... I feel your pain. I spend months obsessing over the draft and I'm AWLAYS left disappointed. But I'm always right back at it the next year!

shawnkytonk 04-12-2017 06:52 PM

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Foster seems like a real possibility. Keep seeing mocks with Cincy taking a RB. Makes sense considering what they have. I'm actually starting to warm up to Barnett. Would be happy with either at 11.

jeanpierre 04-13-2017 01:37 AM

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Marvin Lewis is a defensive guy...

And Cincy lost two good offensive linemen...

I'm thinking Cincy addresses their line(s) first...

hagan714 04-13-2017 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 744516)
Marvin Lewis is a defensive guy...

And Cincy lost two good offensive linemen...

I'm thinking Cincy addresses their line(s) first...

there is not a top ten talent on the OL this year. unless they pull a Peat on their fans.

Ryan Ramczyk and Cam Robinson are both RT and carry other issues. Garret Bolles is the best developmental prospect at LT or RT but not top 20 talent really. OG? It is just a terrible year on the OL a top the draft.

hagan714 04-13-2017 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 744493)
Same here buddy... I feel your pain. I spend months obsessing over the draft and I'm AWLAYS left disappointed. But I'm always right back at it the next year!

were are suckers for the saints. :)

Derek Barnett gets a lot love here. He is a sack nut sure but after three years of starting he has a lot of work to do against the run. Set an edge? Nah wants the glory stats. That worries me big time. He needs great SLB play backing him up.

I would trade down in heart beat and take an additional pick and settle for Taco Charlton. With just a year of starting time he is is one of the best rush defender in the draft. His pass rush is improving and shows a solid upside to only get better. He is a bigger version of Jordan. He beats up lineman on the way to the QB clogging up lanes and frees up LB.

K Major 04-13-2017 08:47 AM

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Read a story from Mike Mayock last month and he compares Reuben Foster to All Pro Luke Kuechly. I'm paraphrasing here but basically said RF is faster than Luke, has superior instincts, better sideline to sideline mobility & is the best LB prospect he has seen since Kuechly came out of BC.

If RF is there at #11, I don't see how he gets past us. We could be looking at the next Ray Lewis or Patrick Willis.

The Draft is only 2 weeks away ... can't wait to see how this unfolds.

ChrisXVI 04-13-2017 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 744530)
Read a story from Mike Mayock last month and he compares Reuben Foster to All Pro Luke Kuechly. I'm paraphrasing here but basically said RF is faster than Luke, has superior instincts, better sideline to sideline mobility & is the best LB prospect he has seen since Kuechly came out of BC.

If RF is there at #11, I don't see how he gets past us. We could be looking at the next Ray Lewis or Patrick Willis.

The Draft is only 2 weeks away ... can't wait to see how this unfolds.

Apparently we have our eye on Zach Cunningham as well...


rezburna 04-13-2017 09:36 AM

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I wouldn't be upset if they took Reuben Foster and Zach Cunningham on Day 1.

SLB - Reuben Foster
MLB - A.J. Klein
WLB - Zach Cunningham

Trade Stephone Anthony for a 3rd or 4th round pick to a 3-4 based team who needs ILB help. Start using Ellerbe on the EDGE as a DE in pass rushing situations and we might be alright.

lee909 04-13-2017 09:54 AM

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Not sure youd get anything close to a 3/4 for Anthony.

I honestly think youd be very lucky to get a 5th at the moment

rezburna 04-13-2017 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 744537)
Not sure youd get anything close to a 3/4 for Anthony.

I honestly think youd be very lucky to get a 5th at the moment

I'll take it.

jeanpierre 04-13-2017 10:22 AM

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jeanpierre 04-13-2017 10:22 AM

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jeanpierre 04-13-2017 10:24 AM

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Raymond is confused if he thinks Barnett is a dynamic athlete...


K Major 04-13-2017 11:27 AM

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For almost 3 years @ TN, Barnett has been disruptive, can shed blocks in the run and passing game. Circle back and watch his Bama, A&M and Georgia games, not just highlights ... heavy influence & impactful in all of those games. Rarely beaten with any one on one match ups. Pretty dynamic if you ask me. I see a low risk player at a position of need (reminds me of Rankins). I actually agree with "Raymond" in this case as it relates to Barnett.

Not a bad player to take at #11 if available.

vpheughan 04-13-2017 01:32 PM

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Interesting to note how many of those busts were "highly touted", had "great combines" and "a cannon for an arm"

brees84 04-13-2017 01:49 PM

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dizzle88 04-13-2017 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 744552)

I've read a few times that Foster is not good at recognising a play develop.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but don't we already have that player in Stephone Anthony?

ChrisXVI 04-13-2017 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 744581)
I've read a few times that Foster is not good at recognising a play develop.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but don't we already have that player in Stephone Anthony?

I think it's kinda the opposite. Foster isn't so good at drawing up the X's and O's but knows exactly what to do on the field when the bullets are flying. He doesn't have to think, just destroy.

You're spot on with Anthony... He has no instincts.

Seer1 04-13-2017 07:11 PM

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"I think it's kinda the opposite. Foster isn't so good at drawing up the X's and O's but knows exactly what to do on the field when the bullets are flying. He doesn't have to think, just destroy."

44Champs 04-13-2017 08:19 PM

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My first choice is Foster. If he hits you or gets his hands on you, you're going down. Watch his highlights. He's a wrecking machine. My 2nd choice would be either Barnett or Howard. Just please dont take a running back.

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jeanpierre 04-13-2017 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 744583)
I think it's kinda the opposite. Foster isn't so good at drawing up the X's and O's but knows exactly what to do on the field when the bullets are flying. He doesn't have to think, just destroy.

You're spot on with Anthony... He has no instincts.

He had pretty good instincts in Year 1...

shawnkytonk 04-13-2017 10:46 PM

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While RB is a definite need, I don't want to see one in RD 1 either.

hagan714 04-14-2017 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 744599)
While RB is a definite need, I don't want to see one in RD 1 either.

LeGarrette Blount?

rezburna 04-14-2017 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 744608)
LeGarrette Blount?

I'm down.

SaintFanInATLHELL 04-14-2017 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 744599)
While RB is a definite need, I don't want to see one in RD 1 either.

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 744608)
LeGarrette Blount?

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 744616)
I'm down.

Why do ya'll feel RB is a need? Ingram played in all 16 games last year rushing for over 1000 yards and a 5.1 YPC average. I feel the guy has earned his status as a feature back, as must as there can be one in the Saints offense.

I'm just wondering why many are overlooking what the team already has?

SFIAH

dizzle88 04-14-2017 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 744619)
Why do ya'll feel RB is a need? Ingram played in all 16 games last year rushing for over 1000 yards and a 5.1 YPC average. I feel the guy has earned his status as a feature back, as must as there can be one in the Saints offense.

I'm just wondering why many are overlooking what the team already has?

SFIAH

I don't understand the disrespect Ingram gets, he averages 900-1000 rushing yards and about 300-400 receiving yards every year and people think we can just throw him aside and we'll continue as normal.

There's 1400 yards of offense right there and the guy is disrespected continually, he never gets himself in trouble, he's never in the media and he's consistent in games.

ChrisXVI 04-14-2017 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 744619)
Why do ya'll feel RB is a need? Ingram played in all 16 games last year rushing for over 1000 yards and a 5.1 YPC average. I feel the guy has earned his status as a feature back, as must as there can be one in the Saints offense.

I'm just wondering why many are overlooking what the team already has?

SFIAH

If Ingram goes down we're left with Cadet, Murphy and Lasco. That's horrendous depth.

jeanpierre 04-14-2017 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 744623)
If Ingram goes down we're left with Cadet, Murphy and Lasco. That's horrendous depth.

And that's why Christian McCaffrey makes sense...

Seer1 04-14-2017 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 744633)
And that's why Christian McCaffrey makes sense...

He does, but where do we address the missing part of our DL?

lee909 04-14-2017 12:13 PM

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Interesting new mock on Bleacher Reports

R1.11 Marlon Humphreys
R1.32 Zach Cunningham
R2. 11 Taco Charlton

Id be amazed if he was on tbe board in R2 but id be happy with that draft even with concerns over Humphreys

jeanpierre 04-14-2017 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 744634)
He does, but where do we address the missing part of our DL?

This is such a deep draft, you can take a rookie on Day 2 or 3 who's not ready to start and stack 'em behind Alex Okafor...

That's why the Okafor signing is so significant - we can truly take the BPA in this draft, and as deep as it is, we can afford to wait till pick no. 32 or Day 2...

Another thing, I don't believe CB is as pressing as the press and some here believe; we didn't have our defensive line signed and in place till Week 1, and even then, our underrated NT tore his pectoral in Week 2...

And one thing that is flying under everyone's radar except opposing coaches in the NFC south - the hirings of Mike Nolan and Ryan Nielsen are gonna pay huge dividends with the underrated talent we already have...

ChrisXVI 04-14-2017 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 744633)
And that's why Christian McCaffrey makes sense...

Heath Evans mentioned that he and Payton were hanging out watching tape of Alvin Kamara together... Kamara's gonna get some strong consideration in round 2 if we don't address the need earlier.

Seer1 04-14-2017 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 744636)
This is such a deep draft, you can take a rookie on Day 2 or 3 who's not ready to start and stack 'em behind Alex Okafor...

That's why the Okafor signing is so significant - we can truly take the BPA in this draft, and as deep as it is, we can afford to wait till pick no. 32 or Day 2...

Another thing, I don't believe CB is as pressing as the press and some here believe; we didn't have our defensive line signed and in place till Week 1, and even then, our underrated NT tore his pectoral in Week 2...

And one thing that is flying under everyone's radar except opposing coaches in the NFC south - the hirings of Mike Nolan and Ryan Nielsen are gonna pay huge dividends with the underrated talent we already have...

I sure do like those hirings!

jeanpierre 04-14-2017 12:55 PM

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Imagine Cam Jordan playing across from Cam Jordan...


You have to read the article, but Malik McDowell is compared to Cam Jordan...

halloween 65 04-14-2017 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 744640)
Imagine Cam Jordan playing across from Cam Jordan...

https://twitter.com/Uncle_Tuna/statu...39094413979648

You have to read the article, but Malik McDowell is compared to Cam Jordan...

McDowell has been underated this entire draft if he's there in the 2nd I hope we pull the trigger. I've wanted him from the start. Peppers, Cunningham, and McDowell would be at the top of my wish list.

ChrisXVI 04-14-2017 04:19 PM

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Malik McDowell has big character concerns and doesn't really try on the field.

NFL team says Malik McDowell's interview was combine's worst

Michigan State interior pass rusher Malik McDowell entered the NFL Combine as one of event's most polarizing prospects and exits as a plyer who didn't leave a great impression with several teams, according to Yahoo Sports.
“Worst interview we did," one NFL team told Yahoo Sports' Eric Edholm.
“Awful interview. Awful," another reportedly said.


NFL Network draft analyst: 'No effort' from MSU's Malik McDowell

“Just no effort,” Jeremiah said on a conference call Wednesday. “To me, he’s a tough one. All the ability in the world – he’s got as much upside as any defensive linemen in the draft because you see him dominate at times. He just isn’t consistent.”

SaintFanInATLHELL 04-14-2017 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 744619)
Why do ya'll feel RB is a need? Ingram played in all 16 games last year rushing for over 1000 yards and a 5.1 YPC average. I feel the guy has earned his status as a feature back, as must as there can be one in the Saints offense.

I'm just wondering why many are overlooking what the team already has?

SFIAH

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 744623)
If Ingram goes down we're left with Cadet, Murphy and Lasco. That's horrendous depth.

I can buy that. But you don't draft for depth at the top of the draft. Or bring in a high dollar free agents for depth. The talk is about Fournette, Peterson, and Blount. Those are running backs when you're looking to replace your current running back, not for depth.

Mixon may be a bargain at 103. But I don't think he'll be there at the end of the 3rd.

But during the Payton tenure the running back position has been productive with undrafted free agents such as Thomas, Ivory, and Robinson and signed free agents like Hightower and Bell. Except for Ingram, the Saints running game has been a committee of somewhat interchangable players from a collection of backgrounds.

But Ingram is the guy. Period. Adding depth is fine. But I'm frustrated with the discussion of guys who seem to be targeting Ingram as a replacement.

SFIAH


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